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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 1:07:11 GMT -6
"Maybe there are some that have passed from it without other complications, but the numbers are few. That isnt a big bad virus."
I was speaking of Corona here. Influenza as I said earlier was a bitch this year. From the young to the not so young, it was hard on everyone.
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Post by greybeard on Mar 21, 2020 1:09:36 GMT -6
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I have no idea what you are referring to.
The German socialist you hailed as a new age hero?
They're a dime a dozen nowadays.
He, like a lot of people today, (even on this board) ..is worried about $$..economic loss.
I'm concerned with other people dying, even those I've never met and never will.
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Post by greybeard on Mar 21, 2020 1:15:27 GMT -6
"Maybe there are some that have passed from it without other complications, but the numbers are few. That isnt a big bad virus." I was speaking of Corona here. Influenza as I said earlier was a Cutie this year. From the young to the not so young, it was hard on everyone. It's almost always the complications that does the killing, including influenza. Pneumonia being high on the list. It's what almost all respiratory viruses do. Pre-existing conditions don't help..they just make it easier for the pneumonia to take hold.. I did not get the flu this season nor did anyone I personally know. I did take the flu shot and the pneumonia vaccine. |
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 1:54:24 GMT -6
"Maybe there are some that have passed from it without other complications, but the numbers are few. That isnt a big bad virus." I was speaking of Corona here. Influenza as I said earlier was a Cutie this year. From the young to the not so young, it was hard on everyone. It's almost always the complications that does the killing, including influenza. Pneumonia being high on the list. It's what almost all respiratory viruses do. Pre-existing conditions don't help..they just make it easier for the pneumonia to take hold.. I did not get the flu this season nor did anyone I personally know. I did take the flu shot and the pneumonia vaccine. Didn't say everyone that received it also contracted influenza, but its protection is less than stellar. "CDC conducts studies each year to determine how well the influenza (flu) vaccine protects against flu illness. While vaccine effectiveness (VE) can vary, recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine." 40 to 60% when it's well matched... www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fflu%2Fabout%2Fqa%2Fvaccineeffect.htmWe have to do better. Japan came out with an antiviral agent that has success within a short period, I believe 24 to 48 hours. But it's not been approved by the FDA yet. FDA I believe does as much harm as good, if not more. And as I've said before, there's much to be done for improving people's natural defenses. That is where the real prevention will be found. And there's a lot of work going on in that arena finally. Viruses will change, but a system that functions well can adapt vs having to vaccinate for a trillion possibilities. When I'm said complications, I intended it to mean pre-existing disease. I should have said pre-existing disease. Most Corona victims have pre-existing disease from reports I've seen. Pneumonia from either is a sequelae and I would attribute that directly to having contracted either virus and not pre-existing, unless they actually had pneumonia prior. |
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 2:16:08 GMT -6
. I have no idea what you are referring to. The German socialist you hailed as a new age hero? They're a dime a dozen nowadays. He, like a lot of people today, (even on this board) ..is worried about $$..economic loss. I'm concerned with other people dying, even those I've never met and never will. I do think there is a virus, but I dont think it's producing the loses they projected. I happen to think that though I strongly disagree with socialism, the German is actually correct about the morbidity in this situation. However, I do see why you dont trust him. That's fair. I find it weird that the all sides are aligned, and yet the numbers of losses aren't materialized. If I thought this was a true pandemic threatening countless lives, I would support doing what was necessary to stop mass losses of our citizens. As it is, I still support the shutdown but for a different reason. So I'm not complaining about economic losses. |
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Post by cowrancher75 on Mar 21, 2020 10:23:12 GMT -6
guys.. I have no symptoms of anything.. feel fine..
I'm thinking I might have the chinese flu!!!!!
help !!!
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 13:37:17 GMT -6
A mean age of 51 years, which is far below the mean age of those most likely to die and a test group of only 36 (only 20 actually had the illness) and you make the leap to call that proof? Most at age 51 with Covid19 would get over it with nothing more than palliative treatment. On exactly what planet would that be considered proof? Maybe on Venus.. Missed this yesterday. The study wasn't significant because no one of that age passed. It was significant because all of them, though small sample size cleared the virus completely by PCR testing by day 6. The rate of clearance, the fact they all cleared it, and the p value were all significant. There is more to this. I have believed for several days that there is more than one strain. The President tweeted about that this morning. academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463The L strain was what was released/escaped in China initially. It has much greater mortality rate. I believe this has been mitigated, or at least for the most part here in the US, other countries I am concerned for. I believe all the nasty things said about corona related to that strain and that it was created for biological warfare. Can I prove that aspect directly? No. It is all suggestive. I believe the S strain is what we are seeing here, and that yes the treatment works for those that will have complications. I believe the media hype serves a purpose. Though what we have is not a pandemic, I believe it keeps people from being targets in other forms- including the threat of another agent being released, or that the L strain gets access to continental US by nefarious means. |
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 14:39:38 GMT -6
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 14:59:51 GMT -6
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 15:36:10 GMT -6
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 15:41:20 GMT -6
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 15:46:22 GMT -6
He's not an MD, but he's intelligent enough to compare countries with high use of antimalaria agents to covid cases.
This does not indicate a direct cause, but is additional information to be used as identified.
I think the man is intelligent enough to run the numbers.
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 15:50:11 GMT -6
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Mar 21, 2020 15:54:32 GMT -6
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Post by fence on Mar 21, 2020 17:01:42 GMT -6
Sure glad that I don't dip or smoke. This is just another type of flu or pneumonia with a new scary name. What would you have preferred them to have named it? The flu |
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