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Post by talltimber on Jul 4, 2019 6:29:47 GMT -6
What can you tell me about the prefered climate for each, the tonnage of each in a limited input operation, and the length of time expected from each seeding (how many yrs until a redo is required)?
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Post by randy on Jul 4, 2019 8:24:50 GMT -6
Crimson is good stuff it comes early but also leaves early and you have to let the seed heads turn brown before it will reseed itself. You really need a mix.
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Post by okie on Jul 4, 2019 8:29:54 GMT -6
I don't know about tonnage but I've had decent luck with the crimson reseeding itself. They have different varieties and a couple are supposed to be better than others at reseeding. It will handle acidic soil very well. I suspect tonnage would be greatly increased with a little potash and potassium as some of it on my poorer soil is pretty pathetic but it keeps coming back.
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Post by fence on Jul 4, 2019 8:40:34 GMT -6
I use the crimson alot. It yields best, never seen any bloat at all. Deer will year the fenced down. I've also used the neuches white .. low growing, wouldn't be worth haying. Had some minor bloat issues...but it reseeds very well.
On a cultivated piece I would grow crimson. If I was trying to get some clover in a established grass pasture I would use the white...two cents
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Post by hook on Jul 4, 2019 8:44:01 GMT -6
When would you seed it? Besides frost seeding, im thinking of mixing some with my timothy seed when I put it out this fall
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Post by 1982vett on Jul 5, 2019 7:29:25 GMT -6
I think red Clover, if planted, does fairly well. Natural reseeding of itself varies by soil type. I think it likes sandy loam best but do have some on this black land clay. This past year was ideal for clover in my area. Plenty of moisture at germination and only a couple hard freezes. I had more red clover than ever before ( which isn’t really a lot) but all the other clovers (burr, Arrowleaf, ball, Persian, and medics) provided about as much grazing in January as ryegrass. I had a lot of grass cover that slowed the ryegrass early on. In some places the clover outgrew the ryegrass.
For me, the red, burr, medics mature first. Ball second and Arrowleaf last. I cut hay the last weeks of May. Given we are having a cooler and wetter transition to summer, but the Arrowleaf is still alive. Not much growth but flowering and making seed.
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Post by M-5 on Jul 5, 2019 7:56:03 GMT -6
I have never tried anything but red. It does good here because it comes early and does it's thing before warm season grass takes off. I'm trying to get more established but it's a slow process.
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Post by jehosofat on Jul 5, 2019 8:47:38 GMT -6
Around here it's white that does best. Cows like it better, and once it gets going you never have to plant it again.
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Post by simangking on Jul 5, 2019 11:10:26 GMT -6
Crimson is a fall annual, and most places will do best planted in the fall, and grazed early spring. Produces the most nitrogen in a year of any clover.
White clover is low volume, but is a highly durable perennial. It is even hearty to 2-4,D, and is hard to choke out. Plays well with fescue.
Red clover is the most diverse, and is easy to get established. Reseeds easy enough, and blooms later than crimson or white clover. Not as hearty as white, but can keep up growth wise with oats, or cool season grasses.
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Post by Allenw on Jul 5, 2019 11:59:35 GMT -6
I've wondered about planting crimson with wheat or rye for hay. Would they be ready close enough together to make that work?
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Post by okie on Jul 5, 2019 13:28:29 GMT -6
Of the three options I'd say white dutch type is the real workhorse here. It won't excel as tonnage at any one particular time but it's out there pretty much all season. I seed it and crimson together as they don't overlap here.
If you don't intent to make hay sweet clover might be an option. It can be invasive but the feed quality is similar to alfalfa and it will make tons of feed. If you go that route send me your address and don't be real surprised if you wake up to a load of beehives sitting in your front yard. It won't grow here without lime in a pasture setting but will grow on the side of the road. If anyone can tell me why that is I'd sure like to know.
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Post by hook on Jul 5, 2019 13:35:55 GMT -6
Of the three options I'd say white dutch type is the real workhorse here. It won't excel as tonnage at any one particular time but it's out there pretty much all season. I seed it and crimson together as they don't overlap here. If you don't intent to make hay sweet clover might be an option. It can be invasive but the feed quality is similar to alfalfa and it will make tons of feed. If you go that route send me your address and don't be real surprised if you wake up to a load of beehives sitting in your front yard. It won't grow here without lime in a pasture setting but will grow on the side of the road. If anyone can tell me why that is I'd sure like to know. If you freeze it could be just enough road salt to balance the ph |
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Post by okie on Jul 5, 2019 13:40:59 GMT -6
Of the three options I'd say white dutch type is the real workhorse here. It won't excel as tonnage at any one particular time but it's out there pretty much all season. I seed it and crimson together as they don't overlap here. If you don't intent to make hay sweet clover might be an option. It can be invasive but the feed quality is similar to alfalfa and it will make tons of feed. If you go that route send me your address and don't be real surprised if you wake up to a load of beehives sitting in your front yard. It won't grow here without lime in a pasture setting but will grow on the side of the road. If anyone can tell me why that is I'd sure like to know. If you freeze it could be just enough road salt to balance the ph I wondered about that but the roads I see it on have never been salted that I know of. The county doesn't even grade some of the roads that I see it on much less salt. |
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Post by hook on Jul 8, 2019 12:02:45 GMT -6
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Post by ebenezer on Jul 14, 2019 5:51:36 GMT -6
I've wondered about planting crimson with wheat or rye for hay. Would they be ready close enough together to make that work? A great blend. |
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