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Post by greybeard on Jul 8, 2019 19:20:36 GMT -6
Want to interpret a survey? Tell me where the North property line for this 17.4 acres is and what is relatively unusual about it.. This is what survey markers look like here nowadays. I placed the old steel sign post right over it after I watched the surveyors drive it in. It's along the riverbank and I wanted something that might stay there thru floodwater.
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jul 8, 2019 19:31:15 GMT -6
Can't see it real well on the phone here but, it looks like it's in the middle of the hwy. Does the legal description show an easement of sorts? It even states 0.9xx acres in ROW,right of way. The part that concerns me is the 2 (found 1/2" iron rods) on the right of way. It's almost like this surveyor didn't take into consideration the right of way. Can't say I've ever seen anything quite like that before.
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Post by talltimber on Jul 8, 2019 19:52:27 GMT -6
greybeard, at first glance, I can’t read the print very good, but it looks like it’s showing both that you own to the line down the road. Between the pob and something in the east end, in the road. Can’t read it “point”? Also it’s showing 945 row and how much of your property is included inside the row? You won’t see that here. It appears they found two ip’s at your prop line at the row. Depending on what your deed says, I don’t really see anything that would definitively say that you don’t go out in the road. It’s common for property corners to be to the centerline of the road here, while there is also a row. I’ve never seen an amount in the row like you have there though. What’s the number associated with found ip on the row south of the pob? Is there a problem? I love this stuff, really interesting. Also, I don’t see a row width shown
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Post by greybeard on Jul 8, 2019 23:13:10 GMT -6
I'll try to dig that survey out and see if I can get a better picture of it, but yes, the true property line is about the center of the pavement for both the 17.4 ac and the 24 ac to the East of it. A case of the property was originally bought before the road existed. It was originally a log tram road with all the property here abouts belonging to a big timber company, then got deeded to the National Forest in a property in lieu of back taxes swap , which is why there's a notation on the far left that is partially visible..says "Property of The United States of America". The 42.6 ac property across the tram road evidently gave 1/2 the easement and our property gave the other 1/2, but of course that was many years before my father bought it. I very much remember, when I was about 15, measuring (I think) 24' from the center of the road, and thru the ditch south to determine how close to the road we could build the northmost fence. That's the distance the State told my father IIRC. There isn't much ditch area there and the drive into that place from pavement edge to the gate isn't long enough but for one pickup truck. Here, brother & I legally 'owned' the property that is in the middle of the road and the ditch, but don't have to pay property taxes for it..can never use it for my own use either. Both properties have been sold since that survey was done. On the East end of the 24 ac but not shown, that steel rod for the NE corner is actually brass & is embedded in the concrete of a bridge approach over the San Jacinto river. It's also recorded as the nearest "known elevation" marker.
(notice the names of the folks that own the property across the highway?) They may not own it any more. That's the property where DEA/TxDPS found, cut, then helo'd 14,000lbs of marijuana onto my property a few years ago so they could load it and haul it off. If they tied that pot to those arabs, that property now belongs to the county or state.
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Post by greybeard on Jul 8, 2019 23:33:11 GMT -6
The easement along the west side is a powerline with road under it and is a mutual and deeded egress easement which allows all 3 property owners to go out either to the north or south as needed.
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jul 10, 2019 4:42:29 GMT -6
Normally, in situations like that, a formal deed would have been filed to turn over the lands in the ROW to the state. A new legal description of the remaining property would be given and it's deed ammended to account for it. The 2 found 1/2" iron rods at the ROW should then become the north boundary of said property. Anyways, that's the way it would of been handled here, not knowing anything about Texas land laws I don't know if yours is a normal situation there.
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jul 10, 2019 4:43:45 GMT -6
My interpretation of the legal is that you own to roughly the centerline of the road.
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Post by randy on Jul 10, 2019 5:19:54 GMT -6
I bet he power company is not state owned 3Lt.
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Post by M-5 on Jul 10, 2019 6:03:15 GMT -6
Seems like every thing starts on my property here. Every time someone has a survey done they start in front of my house.
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jul 10, 2019 6:16:48 GMT -6
Seems like every thing starts on my property here. Every time someone has a survey done they start in front of my house. Probably got a good section corner there.
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Post by M-5 on Jul 10, 2019 6:30:18 GMT -6
Seems like every thing starts on my property here. Every time someone has a survey done they start in front of my house. Probably got a good section corner there. It's got one of them medal caps on the square concrete stob sticking out of the ground.
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Post by greybeard on Jul 10, 2019 9:00:36 GMT -6
Probably got a good section corner there. It's got one of them medal caps on the square concrete stob sticking out of the ground. There's one of those up at the bridge, which is farther to the east out of the view on that plat. Supposed to be a permanent cement & steel monument at the NE corner of the 40.26 parcel across the highway, but last survey done, they never could find it. This property is all part of what is known as the William Dobie Survey which was done in the early 1800s, just prior to the Texas revolution of 1835/1836. This is legally referred to as A93 of that survey. W. Dobie was granted a 1/4 league + a 'labor of land' in what is now SE Harris County and a full league + a labor of land in what is now this county. A league is 25 million sq varas which =4,428 acres. A labor of land was 177 acres. I may later try to dig out one of the old surveys I have of this place that is in Varas. www.caldwellcad.org/data/_uploaded/file/taxinfo/Texas%20Land%20Measurments%20Guide.pdf
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jul 10, 2019 18:18:27 GMT -6
It's got one of them medal caps on the square concrete stob sticking out of the ground. There's one of those up at the bridge, which is farther to the east out of the view on that plat. Supposed to be a permanent cement & steel monument at the NE corner of the 40.26 parcel across the highway, but last survey done, they never could find it. This property is all part of what is known as the William Dobie Survey which was done in the early 1800s, just prior to the Texas revolution of 1835/1836. This is legally referred to as A93 of that survey. W. Dobie was granted a 1/4 league + a 'labor of land' in what is now SE Harris County and a full league + a labor of land in what is now this county. A league is 25 million sq varas which =4,428 acres. A labor of land was 177 acres. I may later try to dig out one of the old surveys I have of this place that is in Varas. www.caldwellcad.org/data/_uploaded/file/taxinfo/Texas%20Land%20Measurments%20Guide.pdfI'd have to pull out a few textbooks and try to figure out the varas again. Id be interested in seeing it.
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jul 10, 2019 18:21:26 GMT -6
I just opened the link. That's a pretty good conversion of older survey measurements.
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Post by talltimber on Jul 10, 2019 19:45:34 GMT -6
Saved! Thanks gb, that's interesting!
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