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Post by hughespieds on Oct 27, 2019 15:50:59 GMT -6
Every state has their own laws for this and the feds don't have time to mess with bank robberies. I think some politician was looking for a feather in their hat.
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Post by chuckie on Oct 28, 2019 9:15:54 GMT -6
I am good with it being a felony for getting animals that you leave to die from starvation or what ever cruel act they inflict on the animal. Never have understood why anyone would get an animal if they were not going to take care of it. There are some things that I have seen that never left my mind. I have absolutely no tolerance of these people.
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Post by tater74 on Oct 28, 2019 11:51:31 GMT -6
Am I allowed to cut a snake's head off with a shovel, or do I have to give it anesthesia first?
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Post by M-5 on Oct 28, 2019 12:01:52 GMT -6
I understand it if it is torture and willful abuse. But making animals above humans is wrong.
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Post by okie on Oct 28, 2019 14:04:18 GMT -6
My thinking is similar to M-5. I can't stand to see an animal abused but this is nothing more than more perversion. It's clearly defined that man is to rule over beasts so I don't like laws that give beasts rights when people are suffering. People get more upset over a skinny dog than they do an abortion clinic. I love dogs but I'll shoot that poor sumbitch and save my prayers for a real travesty.
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Post by angusrancher on Oct 28, 2019 18:45:06 GMT -6
At what point will they try to apply it to practices such as branding and castration? I will be surprised if it's not used against us whenever and wherever possible.
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Post by chuckie on Oct 28, 2019 19:52:50 GMT -6
I have seen too animals starved to death. Or tortured to train dogs to fight. Cats set on fire. I will never change my feelings on this.
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Post by tcranch on Oct 29, 2019 7:01:29 GMT -6
I'm torn on this. Neighbors about 1.5 miles west have 6 dogs, none of which are cared for and clearly hungry. They're on our property all the time and I generally feed them because I can't stand how they're treated. That said, if any of them were attacking my calves I wouldn't hesitate to shoot them.
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Post by chuckie on Oct 29, 2019 8:15:39 GMT -6
I also had a neighbor that did not feed his dogs. It was in the winter and the dogs were so thin that skin covered their bones. I started taking feed down to them every day and he called his Mom. (He is over 40 years old) She called me and asked me to stop feeding them. She said he took good care of his dogs and how much he loved them. I asked her if she had seen the dogs and she said no. I told her how they gulped the dog food down so fast that they were choking. She came down and got every one of the dogs and took them home with her.
People that are cruel to animals, I do not trust at all. Just as it is known that people that are cruel to humans most of the time they were cruel to animals before. There is a reason to stop this behavior.
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Post by hughespieds on Oct 29, 2019 9:24:46 GMT -6
I'm not torn on this as I see another law covering the same thing as unnecessary. As far as I know ALL states have animal cruelty laws and are enforced. Yes, the state law enforcement agency will have their own ideas whether an animal is mistreated on a, but the same thing will happen in a federal situation. I see this akin to making another law just to make DUI a federal crime.
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Post by tcranch on Oct 29, 2019 16:44:26 GMT -6
I'm not torn on this as I see another law covering the same thing as unnecessary. As far as I know ALL states have animal cruelty laws and are enforced. Yes, the state law enforcement agency will have their own ideas whether an animal is mistreated on a, but the same thing will happen in a federal situation. I see this akin to making another law just to make DUI a federal crime. Point taken. But enforcing the state laws is giant cluster - the animal practically has to be Sarah McLachlan/USHS commercial worthy before steps are taken. |
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Post by hughespieds on Oct 30, 2019 7:24:31 GMT -6
I'm not torn on this as I see another law covering the same thing as unnecessary. As far as I know ALL states have animal cruelty laws and are enforced. Yes, the state law enforcement agency will have their own ideas whether an animal is mistreated on a, but the same thing will happen in a federal situation. I see this akin to making another law just to make DUI a federal crime. Point taken. But enforcing the state laws is giant cluster - the animal practically has to be Sarah McLachlan/USHS commercial worthy before steps are taken. I was part of the state enforcement system for 30 years and had very few problems. I think the problems I'm seeing now is over enforcement. Pretty sure most law enforcement personnel are scared of the publicity those McLachlan/USHS people can bring. |
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Post by simangking on Oct 30, 2019 11:18:17 GMT -6
A bad law for anyone in Animal Ag.
They play it up as a law to protect puppies and kittens, but really they will be using it to going after anyone with livestock that don't meet their standards. Why do you think there is a big push for BQA? Get in lock step, or get tossed in the gulag.
We all know just how cruel them farmers are.***
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Post by silverback on Oct 30, 2019 15:05:26 GMT -6
Another example of federal govt overreach. States should govern themselves and enforce their own laws. This is not a federal matter. They have opened the door for open season on agriculture operations. So many, much more complicated problems in this country for the federal govt to concern itself with. Simangking is dead on correct. Anyone in livestock agriculture just had another bullseye tacked on our back.
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