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Post by fence on Jan 8, 2020 12:11:47 GMT -6
Should felon's of nonviolent crimes be allowed to eventually get back their gun rights. It's a touchy kinda deal. Lots of good people have made mistakes and it would strengthen the number of gun advocates, hunting advocates etc.
Same time one person who has been given back their gun rights does something horrific. And it's food for the antigun movement.
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Post by M-5 on Jan 8, 2020 12:21:40 GMT -6
Once the sentence has been served and a period of time has elapsed and they have shown to be actively contribution to society I would not have an issue with it.
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Post by hughespieds on Jan 8, 2020 12:25:47 GMT -6
I'm not opposed to that idea if they only have one non-violent charge and have walked a straight line ever since. Of course, that being the case case they could petition the court for an expungement and clean their record.
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Post by randy on Jan 8, 2020 13:18:33 GMT -6
I'm not opposed to that idea if they only have one non-violent charge and have walked a straight line ever since. Of course, that being the case case they could petition the court for an expungement and clean their record. Or if you had the money you have payed Bill Clinton 75 to 80,000 and got a pardon. Expungements and pardons are not that easy to get either. |
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Post by greybeard on Jan 8, 2020 13:32:30 GMT -6
For me, the operative parameter would be 'X # of years' of non-criminal behavior outside their normal court ordered probationary time period.
I've seen offenders get out of incarceration, and as long as they were on supervised probation, they behaved themselves, but as soon as probation was over, they started right back down the same road that got them in trouble to begin with. Good citizens act as such because it's the law of the land and that's how they/we are supposed to act in an ordered society...not because someone in authority is standing over them watching their every move.
For the thousands of relatively minor marijuana convictions where users ended up in jail over the last few decades, I do think there might be a lot of room for changes in current firearm possession laws.
I personally don't do any kind of drugs but with more and more states legalizing or decriminalizing weed possession in one form or another, it seems grossly unfair that past offenders would be under the thumb of the legal system regarding 2nd amendment rights, where a current legal weed user would never have to be.
Equal protection of the law has to be the hallmark of a free and just nation and that really has not been the case for many in this nation.
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Post by highgrit on Jan 8, 2020 14:52:18 GMT -6
There's a lot of different ways to look at this issue, good one Fenceman. Loosing your right to own and bear arms is a heck of a good way to make some people do what's right. My problem is where do you draw the line? A lot of criminals have committed felonies not using a gun because one wasn't readily available or they were just out gunned or out manned at the moment they were caught. I think a convicted felon shouldn't get to own guns or vote. Fat is most of the time you never get caught or convicted the first time you commit a felony. My thinking is if you screwed up so bad that you couldn't wiggle your way out, tough luck.
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Post by hughespieds on Jan 8, 2020 15:19:47 GMT -6
I'm not opposed to that idea if they only have one non-violent charge and have walked a straight line ever since. Of course, that being the case case they could petition the court for an expungement and clean their record. Or if you had the money you have payed Bill Clinton 75 to 80,000 and got a pardon. Expungements and pardons are not that easy to get either. I don't pretend to know about pardons, but I've sat thru a few expungement hearings in state district courts. They are not easy to get nor should they be. But, what I'm saying is the person I would hand back their voters or guns rights would be a prime candidate for an expungement. |
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Post by fence on Jan 8, 2020 15:20:52 GMT -6
As a side note. After 5 years of completion of sentence. A felon can have a gun inside their residence for home protection. But a felon can't buy a gun, and it's illegal to provide a felon with a gun.....how the heck does that work?  |
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Post by randy on Jan 8, 2020 17:54:28 GMT -6
Felon can walk into any gun store in the country and buy a muzzle loader no federal back ground check on them. But the states at least some will consider it a firearm.
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Post by greybeard on Jan 8, 2020 20:08:23 GMT -6
As a side note. After 5 years of completion of sentence. A felon can have a gun inside their residence for home protection. But a felon can't buy a gun, and it's illegal to provide a felon with a gun.....how the heck does that work? I assume it means a firearm can be in the residence after that 5 years, but it can't belong to the convicted felon. |
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