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Post by randy on Jul 6, 2019 10:18:27 GMT -6
I went to a cattle show yesterday. It was a limousin show Grand Champion bull was a limflex. How does these crossbred bulls help the commerical operators? Seems to me we are robbing the heterosis. A very nice purebred bull won a class and division but place down the list in the grand drive. I am not much of a show person but to me that purebred bull offered a lot more to commerical operation than the crossbred winner.
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Post by ufbeef on Jul 6, 2019 13:42:21 GMT -6
We use mostly purebred, Angus and Charlois, but have gotten more Brangus and Braford bulls over the past years as our keeping heifers were getting to "Englishy". When most of your cows are 3/8 kind of cattle, a purebred Continental cross adds some hybrid vigor to the herd, harder cross genetically. Helps with performance. That being said, hopefully this doesnt offend anybody, but from a commercial and order buyer standpoint, I am NOT a Limosouine fan by any means nor would I ever have a Lim bull on our cows. As an order buyer, best way to get your butt chewed by the boss was to put a lim calf on a 1 or 1.5 order and depending on the customer, a no. 2 order.
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Post by hughespieds on Jul 6, 2019 16:20:04 GMT -6
We use mostly purebred, Angus and Charlois, but have gotten more Brangus and Braford bulls over the past years as our keeping heifers were getting to "Englishy". When most of your cows are 3/8 kind of cattle, a purebred Continental cross adds some hybrid vigor to the herd, harder cross genetically. Helps with performance. That being said, hopefully this doesnt offend anybody, but from a commercial and order buyer standpoint, I am NOT a Limosouine fan by any means nor would I ever have a Lim bull on our cows. As an order buyer, best way to get your butt chewed by the boss was to put a lim calf on a 1 or 1.5 order and depending on the customer, a no. 2 order. So what exactly does the boss have against double muscled animals? |
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Post by randy on Jul 6, 2019 17:26:04 GMT -6
We use mostly purebred, Angus and Charlois, but have gotten more Brangus and Braford bulls over the past years as our keeping heifers were getting to "Englishy". When most of your cows are 3/8 kind of cattle, a purebred Continental cross adds some hybrid vigor to the herd, harder cross genetically. Helps with performance. That being said, hopefully this doesnt offend anybody, but from a commercial and order buyer standpoint, I am NOT a Limosouine fan by any means nor would I ever have a Lim bull on our cows. As an order buyer, best way to get your butt chewed by the boss was to put a lim calf on a 1 or 1.5 order and depending on the customer, a no. 2 order. So what exactly does the boss have against double muscled animals? Marbling mostly. Yield grade they can't be beat. |
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Post by randy on Jul 6, 2019 17:29:24 GMT -6
We use mostly purebred, Angus and Charlois, but have gotten more Brangus and Braford bulls over the past years as our keeping heifers were getting to "Englishy". When most of your cows are 3/8 kind of cattle, a purebred Continental cross adds some hybrid vigor to the herd, harder cross genetically. Helps with performance. That being said, hopefully this doesnt offend anybody, but from a commercial and order buyer standpoint, I am NOT a Limosouine fan by any means nor would I ever have a Lim bull on our cows. As an order buyer, best way to get your butt chewed by the boss was to put a lim calf on a 1 or 1.5 order and depending on the customer, a no. 2 order. Your loss is some one else's gain i reckon. I raise them and don't have much trouble find folks to buy them. But they do have a bad rep. Most of is just that a bad rep. |
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Post by randy on Jul 6, 2019 17:36:18 GMT -6
We use mostly purebred, Angus and Charlois, but have gotten more Brangus and Braford bulls over the past years as our keeping heifers were getting to "Englishy". When most of your cows are 3/8 kind of cattle, a purebred Continental cross adds some hybrid vigor to the herd, harder cross genetically. Helps with performance. That being said, hopefully this doesnt offend anybody, but from a commercial and order buyer standpoint, I am NOT a Limosouine fan by any means nor would I ever have a Lim bull on our cows. As an order buyer, best way to get your butt chewed by the boss was to put a lim calf on a 1 or 1.5 order and depending on the customer, a no. 2 order. No offense i have heard it all. What your doing wouldn't fly to good here. Little ear would work on the cows but the calves don't need to show much ear and navel. |
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Post by hughespieds on Jul 6, 2019 17:36:50 GMT -6
Woulda figured.
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Post by ufbeef on Jul 6, 2019 17:59:00 GMT -6
Like I said, no offense, besides them not grading out, first calf to get sick in a pen of 200 is a limo, never failed and they didn't respond real well to treatment. They are definitely more prominent in other parts of the country, but not down here. It wasnt just the boss, the majority of our customers would request no limosouine cattle, especially on number 1 orders. You could slip a good mottle face Braford on one if he wasnt to sheathy and had some bone, but not a limo. They always brought .20 plus back what the mkt was bringing on other calves in the class, which always made it tempting to help on my avg, but the butt chewing wasnt worth it.
Funny story, I was asked to give a talk to FFA and 4H kids in deep S FL about calf selection, grading, breed types. I didnt speak highly of specific breeds. After the talk, the leader asked me to take a look at their show calves and everyone of them was a limosouine calf...it was a little uncomfortable.
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Post by ufbeef on Jul 6, 2019 18:07:18 GMT -6
We use mostly purebred, Angus and Charlois, but have gotten more Brangus and Braford bulls over the past years as our keeping heifers were getting to "Englishy". When most of your cows are 3/8 kind of cattle, a purebred Continental cross adds some hybrid vigor to the herd, harder cross genetically. Helps with performance. That being said, hopefully this doesnt offend anybody, but from a commercial and order buyer standpoint, I am NOT a Limosouine fan by any means nor would I ever have a Lim bull on our cows. As an order buyer, best way to get your butt chewed by the boss was to put a lim calf on a 1 or 1.5 order and depending on the customer, a no. 2 order. No offense i have heard it all. What your doing wouldn't fly to good here. Little ear would work on the cows but the calves don't need to show much ear and navel. I'm sure, we have a little different conditions down here, cattle got to be pretty easy keeping and tolerate extremes in weather and environment. Cattle have to have some ear to make it. They have to be able to travel not only for water but the pastures are fairly substantial, there were days we spend the majority of the day gathering, holding and then driving cattle just to get to the pens in 90F heat. As many cattle as I've traded through the years, cattle could come out of South FL and go about anywhere in the SE, but it was difficult to take cattle from anywhere in the SE and move them to South FL, only exception was TX cattle, they seemed to handle the change ok, just had to learn they cant graze for 2 hours and sit in the shade the rest of the day as the nutrition wasnt as good as it was in TX. |
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Post by randy on Jul 6, 2019 18:51:28 GMT -6
Like I said, no offense, besides them not grading out, first calf to get sick in a pen of 200 is a limo, never failed and they didn't respond real well to treatment. They are definitely more prominent in other parts of the country, but not down here. It wasnt just the boss, the majority of our customers would request no limosouine cattle, especially on number 1 orders. You could slip a good mottle face Braford on one if he wasnt to sheathy and had some bone, but not a limo. They always brought .20 plus back what the mkt was bringing on other calves in the class, which always made it tempting to help on my avg, but the butt chewing wasnt worth it. Funny story, I was asked to give a talk to FFA and 4H kids in deep S FL about calf selection, grading, breed types. I didnt speak highly of specific breeds. After the talk, the leader asked me to take a look at their show calves and everyone of them was a limosouine calf...it was a little uncomfortable. Close out on a set of straight limousin calves.  |
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Post by hook on Jul 6, 2019 19:23:43 GMT -6
Damn your heifers best your steers.
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Post by randy on Jul 6, 2019 20:03:08 GMT -6
Damn your heifers best your steers. Not hardly. |
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Post by hook on Jul 6, 2019 20:18:24 GMT -6
I knew that
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Post by ufbeef on Jul 6, 2019 20:24:26 GMT -6
We rarely saw cattle pass 600lbs, they were long gone. Most guys down here wean at 500-550 and then those calves get on a truck the same day go on grass or to a backgrounder. We dont feed hardly anything down here, everything goes north or west. Most the cattle we bought stayed with us for 45-60 days, just long enough to learn to eat and get straightened out.
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