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Post by ebenezer on Jul 10, 2019 7:07:03 GMT -6
Is it me or is there more and more semen on the market. Seems that so many sites have popped up, internet auctions, consignments or inclusions in sale catalogs in the past 2 years. I see bulls offered that I know from general discussions, use or avoidance in the past that are not worth a toot but folks are still trying to peddle what they have. And if the EPDs lead to better cattle in the next generation is true, why such a flurry of activity in old bulls? I think that the market is pretty saturated with beef semen and especially Angus semen.
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Post by okie on Jul 10, 2019 7:22:29 GMT -6
I think a lot of people are figuring out that some of the new modern stuff doesn't work so well in the pasture and are trying to get back to cattle that work for them instead of the other way around. Sometimes a little less is a little more. I agree that some of the older bulls shouldn't be brought back but if they were worth using they'd already be in a cow or on a plate somewhere so a bunch of the semen that is still out there is stuff that wasn't to exciting. Lots of people tend to think that if it's in a straw it's automaticly better than what they can buy as a herdsire. That's not always the case. There's been more than a few times where I've been just as happy with calves from the bull as I was with the AI calves.
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Post by M-5 on Jul 10, 2019 7:23:07 GMT -6
Look like people bought on speculation that some bulls would come back in to favor and they could gain value on thier investment. I have a small amount of old bulls in my tank I bought for a few bucks a straw.
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Post by okie on Jul 10, 2019 7:37:42 GMT -6
I had a couple thousand units that I lost when my big tank dried out about a year ago. I used to watch bulls and try a little here and there and wait about six months after they had dropped off the lineup and then buy up the rest of it at a severe discount. The last few years of my career it was pretty rare for me to sell anything strait off of the lineup. I was offering highly proven bulls that still had a lot of name recognition for less than what the main lineup bulls were selling for. My customers were thrilled and I was making a killing.
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Post by 11111 on Jul 10, 2019 10:28:07 GMT -6
We have some older club calf type semen. I. E. The original Monopoly. A few others too, that when priced, is well over $200 a straw.
Fortunately, my FIL is over that club calf/show stuff and we'll be able to dump it before long.
I tossed out some Hereford semen (about 400 straws) that I couldn't give away. We don't have nor ever have ran Herefords. Stored for neighbor who didn't want it anymore.
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Post by Jake on Jul 10, 2019 10:32:29 GMT -6
I would rather use older genetics than the new shiny stuff as I at least can go get real world reviews. I do have some bulls we've used that were younger and had mixed results. Some worked really well and other were flops and we junked them. Can find about any angus bull from the last 30 years out there on different sites.
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Post by 11111 on Jul 12, 2019 9:36:20 GMT -6
I would rather use older genetics than the new shiny stuff as I at least can go get real world reviews. I do have some bulls we've used that were younger and had mixed results. Some worked really well and other were flops and we junked them. Can find about any angus bull from the last 30 years out there on different sites. Do you think though that possibly, the older genetics is helping re-establish the better part of the Angus breed that was lost with number chasing? |
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Post by Jake on Jul 12, 2019 9:43:45 GMT -6
I would rather use older genetics than the new shiny stuff as I at least can go get real world reviews. I do have some bulls we've used that were younger and had mixed results. Some worked really well and other were flops and we junked them. Can find about any angus bull from the last 30 years out there on different sites. Do you think though that possibly, the older genetics is helping re-establish the better part of the Angus breed that was lost with number chasing? Absolutely. I think that is why you saw the influx of 707 genetics over the past 15 years. Folks trying to go back and fix some of the issues they had created. And you see it with other bulls as well. There are a lot of good angus cows out there, but there are a bunch as well that have a lot problems due to being selected by paper. And the AAA game of stacking numbers with younger animals just perpetuates the problem. |
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