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Post by birddog on Jul 16, 2019 18:16:59 GMT -6
Buyers at the sale barn are buying for someone else and has an order for what they want. Under no circumstance does that order include a rat tail animal. At least the sale I go to will pull them out and run them with the other secondary calves.
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Post by elkwc on Jul 16, 2019 19:54:25 GMT -6
I cut off anything I feel don't fit then put no sort for anything other than lameness. This stops the traders from asking for cuts. They have no interest in the whole group but want to steal singles. Most sellers here put no sort and that has stopped some traders from attending the sales that allow a seller to do that.
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Post by jedstivers on Jul 17, 2019 21:42:24 GMT -6
Buyers will use anything they can to get a bargain. Whether it be rat tail, color, either single or small groups. There are traders that feast on small producers and those with limited options on where they sell. I have been around auctions most of my life in various roles. At some sales the traders form an alliance and won't bid against each other. We consider all options when marketing an animal. Buyers are usually buying what they are told to buy. If not they are buying for themselves and buy what resales the best (they take discounts on junk too). Most are wanting the same calves, a few are there to buy the calves no one wants, if no one wants them they are cheaper cause not as many are bidding on them. Singles or groups don’t matter, orders and truckloads have to be filled. That alliance shit doesn’t go far either, usually the other way. A buyer might piss off some other buyers and they will run prices up on him so that benefits the seller. And if it’s a barn with small numbers it also has a small number of buyers cause they can’t fill orders or trucks so they don’t go there. Hence a lower bid because less buyers bidding. At least it’s the way I describe in the two states I buy in. Let me know where these barns are you are talking about, I’d like to buy there.
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Post by elkwc on Jul 18, 2019 6:26:09 GMT -6
Buyers will use anything they can to get a bargain. Whether it be rat tail, color, either single or small groups. There are traders that feast on small producers and those with limited options on where they sell. I have been around auctions most of my life in various roles. At some sales the traders form an alliance and won't bid against each other. We consider all options when marketing an animal. Buyers are usually buying what they are told to buy. If not they are buying for themselves and buy what resales the best (they take discounts on junk too). Most are wanting the same calves, a few are there to buy the calves no one wants, if no one wants them they are cheaper cause not as many are bidding on them. Singles or groups don’t matter, orders and truckloads have to be filled. That alliance shit doesn’t go far either, usually the other way. A buyer might piss off some other buyers and they will run prices up on him so that benefits the seller. And if it’s a barn with small numbers it also has a small number of buyers cause they can’t fill orders or trucks so they don’t go there. Hence a lower bid because less buyers bidding. At least it’s the way I describe in the two states I buy in. Let me know where these barns are you are talking about, I’d like to buy there. It maybe different where you buy. I'm speaking of the region I'm in. Here singles and small numbers do matter at some sales. I personally know many buyers as friends. It is common knowledge to many what barns to avoid with small numbers and certain types of cattle. Was going to send a pm but haven't figured out how yet on this forum.
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Post by jedstivers on Jul 18, 2019 6:52:03 GMT -6
Buyers are usually buying what they are told to buy. If not they are buying for themselves and buy what resales the best (they take discounts on junk too). Most are wanting the same calves, a few are there to buy the calves no one wants, if no one wants them they are cheaper cause not as many are bidding on them. Singles or groups don’t matter, orders and truckloads have to be filled. That alliance shit doesn’t go far either, usually the other way. A buyer might piss off some other buyers and they will run prices up on him so that benefits the seller. And if it’s a barn with small numbers it also has a small number of buyers cause they can’t fill orders or trucks so they don’t go there. Hence a lower bid because less buyers bidding. At least it’s the way I describe in the two states I buy in. Let me know where these barns are you are talking about, I’d like to buy there. It maybe different where you buy. I'm speaking of the region I'm in. Here singles and small numbers do matter at some sales. I personally know many buyers as friends. It is common knowledge to many what barns to avoid with small numbers and certain types of cattle. Was going to send a pm but haven't figured out how yet on this forum. I’d say your area will be the anomaly, buyers have to fill orders or they don’t get paid. Their pay isn’t based on how well they cheat someone. And again, most don’t want a pos calf unless they are the ones that deal in those.
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Post by Allenw on Jul 18, 2019 7:13:54 GMT -6
I would be more concerned about learning why the animal was cut off then hollering about it being done.
Now the old cut one of and buy it cheaper and put it back on routine is a crock and shouldn't be allowed to go on i haven't seen that done for awhile though
I have a handful of calves to sell right now and don't know where to go with them the sale we've traditionally used is struggling with a change in ownership and finding it's direction. I've never felt satisfied when selling through the other area sale.
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jul 18, 2019 8:02:32 GMT -6
Buyers are usually buying what they are told to buy. If not they are buying for themselves and buy what resales the best (they take discounts on junk too). Most are wanting the same calves, a few are there to buy the calves no one wants, if no one wants them they are cheaper cause not as many are bidding on them. Singles or groups don’t matter, orders and truckloads have to be filled. That alliance shit doesn’t go far either, usually the other way. A buyer might piss off some other buyers and they will run prices up on him so that benefits the seller. And if it’s a barn with small numbers it also has a small number of buyers cause they can’t fill orders or trucks so they don’t go there. Hence a lower bid because less buyers bidding. At least it’s the way I describe in the two states I buy in. Let me know where these barns are you are talking about, I’d like to buy there. It maybe different where you buy. I'm speaking of the region I'm in. Here singles and small numbers do matter at some sales. I personally know many buyers as friends. It is common knowledge to many what barns to avoid with small numbers and certain types of cattle. Was going to send a pm but haven't figured out how yet on this forum. Click on their name, should give you an option to PM.
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Post by elkwc on Jul 18, 2019 8:26:14 GMT -6
It maybe different where you buy. I'm speaking of the region I'm in. Here singles and small numbers do matter at some sales. I personally know many buyers as friends. It is common knowledge to many what barns to avoid with small numbers and certain types of cattle. Was going to send a pm but haven't figured out how yet on this forum. Click on their name, should give you an option to PM. Thanks
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Post by birddog on Jul 18, 2019 11:59:48 GMT -6
Why don't you sell at OKC West Allen?
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Post by sleepy on Jul 18, 2019 12:20:32 GMT -6
Guys that send they're cattle to feed, will buy those good rattails and feed them right with the rest of them. They'll also put spotted ones in there, bobtailed ones, one eyed ones, maybe even one with a crooked head. They sell for the same price as fats, as everyone elses do. There's a lot of money made by feeding these types of discounted cattle. But, it means owning them clear to the end, through all the growing phases up until harvest. That weeds out all the guys that graze calves, and sell yearlings in load lots as competition. Limited bidding participation. Jedstivers has done a good job explaining that.
Just a hypothetical situation. If I put a few rattailed steers on a load of cattle, to be sold on a board sale/video /tele-auction sale the rep will describe that load of cattle as he sees them. If those rattails cause a buyer buying good northern cattle to bid one less time it cost me around $500, if he quits bidding 2cwt. from his top money those few rats have done cost me around $1000. I'll stop there before it gets worse , the rats were no bargain to me at this point, and I'll try not to buy any.
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Post by Allenw on Jul 18, 2019 14:17:58 GMT -6
Why don't you sell at OKC West Allen? Why? there are several sales closer to me that are just as good or better. Before the one barn changed hands there were pot loads sold through it with a longer haul then OKC for them.
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Post by elkwc on Jul 18, 2019 15:25:13 GMT -6
I would be more concerned about learning why the animal was cut off then hollering about it being done. Now the old cut one of and buy it cheaper and put it back on routine is a crock and shouldn't be allowed to go on i haven't seen that done for awhile though I have a handful of calves to sell right now and don't know where to go with them the sale we've traditionally used is struggling with a change in ownership and finding it's direction. I've never felt satisfied when selling through the other area sale. [ Allen we know why the calf was asked to be cut off. It wasn't by the buyers who bid on the group it was by a trader who only bid on the single cut off.
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Post by Allenw on Jul 18, 2019 16:32:20 GMT -6
I would be more concerned about learning why the animal was cut off then hollering about it being done. Now the old cut one of and buy it cheaper and put it back on routine is a crock and shouldn't be allowed to go on i haven't seen that done for awhile though I have a handful of calves to sell right now and don't know where to go with them the sale we've traditionally used is struggling with a change in ownership and finding it's direction. I've never felt satisfied when selling through the other area sale. [ Allen we know why the calf was asked to be cut off. It wasn't by the buyers who bid on the group it was by a trader who only bid on the single cut off. That's bull if he wasn't the buyer of the group. I've seen them pulled when pointed out but usually by some kind of condenses by buyers and sell staff there was a problem. You set around a sell long enough you'll see a lot over time good and bad generally more good then bad.
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Post by birddog on Jul 18, 2019 17:36:17 GMT -6
"Why? there are several sales closer to me that are just as good or better. Before the one barn changed hands there were pot loads sold through it with a longer haul then OKC for them."
Just curious. Not saying its better or worse than where you sell. I know its way better than any of the barns around here for numerous reasons. Its all one at a time sales around here and you won't get paid for your better taken care of calves. The special preconditioned sales where they do pay some are to expensive commission wise and just feed them junky hay for time they are there before the sale. It always seems to me at these sales that everything is in the buyers favor, not much for the seller.
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Post by jedstivers on Jul 18, 2019 21:22:32 GMT -6
Guys that send they're cattle to feed, will buy those good rattails and feed them right with the rest of them. They'll also put spotted ones in there, bobtailed ones, one eyed ones, maybe even one with a crooked head. They sell for the same price as fats, as everyone elses do. There's a lot of money made by feeding these types of discounted cattle. But, it means owning them clear to the end, through all the growing phases up until harvest. That weeds out all the guys that graze calves, and sell yearlings in load lots as competition. Limited bidding participation. Jedstivers has done a good job explaining that. Just a hypothetical situation. If I put a few rattailed steers on a load of cattle, to be sold on a board sale/video /tele-auction sale the rep will describe that load of cattle as he sees them. If those rattails cause a buyer buying good northern cattle to bid one less time it cost me around $500, if he quits bidding 2cwt. from his top money those few rats have done cost me around $1000. I'll stop there before it gets worse , the rats were no bargain to me at this point, and I'll try not to buy any. Very good explanation. Shows how some of the buyers are the buyers of those calves or problem calves and why the price is less. Now though for me those rat tails just don’t grow off as fast but they eat as much. Theres other things too I can’t really describe but when I’m looking at them I know some calves won’t preform as well and I’m not buying them. If I ever get big enough that I can have good calves and bargain calves I might do it but I’ll probably die of old age before I get there.
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