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Post by jehosofat on Jul 12, 2019 19:58:32 GMT -6
In a hot climate in the south or southwest, why in the world would you have a heavily influenced Simmental herd?
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Post by ebenezer on Jul 13, 2019 6:48:04 GMT -6
Older genetics worked great. Later when the breed began to be black they did worse on the bulls we tried. I threw out the last of that semen in 2018. It showed some value on semen sale sites but I never got a bite. They would help some Angus lines on feet, fertility and size. And they are a marketing tool.
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Post by alacowman on Jul 13, 2019 10:18:03 GMT -6
I've got a few old simbrah cows left that I raised ... Man those gals are calf raisers. But After their gone that will be all for me...didn't take long to go through a bottle of wormer with them...
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Post by alacowman on Jul 13, 2019 10:20:05 GMT -6
Simangus Bulls have been hot sellers here the last few years...
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Post by Jake on Jul 13, 2019 10:52:36 GMT -6
Simangus Bulls have been hot sellers here the last few years... I have never uunderstood the point in using a cross bred bull. They’ve gained popularity here and there isn’t enough heterosis left to make any difference |
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Post by randy on Jul 13, 2019 11:30:13 GMT -6
Simangus Bulls have been hot sellers here the last few years... I have never uunderstood the point in using a cross bred bull. They’ve gained popularity here and there isn’t enough heterosis left to make any difference Ain't that the truth!!! |
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Post by alacowman on Jul 13, 2019 12:17:10 GMT -6
Personally. I want the cow too be crossbred
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Post by tillhill on Jul 13, 2019 13:38:32 GMT -6
Simangus Bulls have been hot sellers here the last few years... I have never uunderstood the point in using a cross bred bull. They’ve gained popularity here and there isn’t enough heterosis left to make any difference I won't argue with you but I can sell a SimAngus bull easier and for more money that an Angus or a PB Simmental. Only exception would be a Angus heifer bull. Tho less guys retained heifers last few years here. |
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Post by okie on Jul 13, 2019 14:27:44 GMT -6
I don't think I'd run a heavily influenced simi herd anywhere. I've just never been a fan. I like the way some of them look but it seems like their doability drops in direct contrast to the percentage.
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Post by Jake on Jul 13, 2019 15:13:30 GMT -6
I have never uunderstood the point in using a cross bred bull. They’ve gained popularity here and there isn’t enough heterosis left to make any difference I won't argue with you but I can sell a SimAngus bull easier and for more money that an Angus or a PB Simmental. Only exception would be a Angus heifer bull. Tho less guys retained heifers last few years here. I have no doubt. Quite a few of them around. I’m a straight breeder at this point in my life anyway so haven’t and won’t use anything different anyway. The cross bulls look good and they should. The maximum heterosis has been stolen by the purebred guy. |
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Post by franklinridgefarms on Jul 13, 2019 15:27:47 GMT -6
I once considered the old time Simmentals, glad I didn't go that route. The black Simmentals are fairly popular here, I am not sure if they are quite as much so as a few years ago. Was once told by a neighbor who some of his family were crossing with Simmental bulls, that he felt sorry for the calves born in the summer because of the hair that they had.
In my opinion, Charolais, Limousins are the more adaptable of the mainstream continental breeds for the southern climates.
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Post by Jake on Jul 13, 2019 16:05:56 GMT -6
I should have qualified that grandpa used to run a lot of flowered up fleckveih cows. Took ALOT of generations to breed it out of them. BIG ole cows.
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Post by randy on Jul 13, 2019 16:11:24 GMT -6
But they raised big ole calves.
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Post by alacowman on Jul 13, 2019 17:15:22 GMT -6
I once considered the old time Simmentals, glad I didn't go that route. The black Simmentals are fairly popular here, I am not sure if they are quite as much so as a few years ago. Was once told by a neighbor who some of his family were crossing with Simmental bulls, that he felt sorry for the calves born in the summer because of the hair that they had. In my opinion, Charolais, Limousins are the more adaptable of the mainstream continental breeds for the southern climates. The traditional type did fine in our climate.. But back in the early 2000 and before, they started to take a big hit by the buyers. And One of the reasons,the breeders turned em black and dropped the frame..their too expensive too like..one of my dream herds is BeefMaster cows,Fleck bull.. |
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Post by dave on Jul 13, 2019 21:56:22 GMT -6
The people I bought bulls from for years main business was retaining ownership on their calves. They shot for 1/4 simm 3/4 angus going to the feedlot. They kept back a few of their best bull calves to sell as bulls. Over the years I bought a lot of their cross bred bulls. Turned them out with saleyard cows of assorted breeding. They made calves that mashed down the scale. I had 4 years in a row that February born steer calves weaned in late September averaged over 700 pounds. And they didn't cost me what a bull sale bull would have.
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