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Post by ebenezer on Jul 27, 2019 6:28:44 GMT -6
I find the discussions of this to be fascinating as folks seem to come out of their shell of wanting a herd that has equally good bull calves and good heifer calves to suddenly say that they will take the risk to just get daughters. The complaint of not having sons to sell or taking a loss on the steers is silent while they rave over the daughters. The opposite is easier to breed as there is a history of sires of great sons and poor daughters. This was a problem in the earlier years with bull tests and tainted a lot of folks and probably tarnished or closed some of the original state based test stations. It is probably not too interesting to any others but I find ita refreshing disclosure.
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jul 27, 2019 6:51:27 GMT -6
I'm in the stage where I want to grow and improve my herd. Good heifers is what I'm concerned with now. I can worry about the steers later.
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Post by 11111 on Jul 27, 2019 8:10:03 GMT -6
I'm in the stage where I want to grow and improve my herd. Good heifers is what I'm concerned with now. I can worry about the steers later. Same. Good females make great bulls.
But I do try to look at pounds too. We breed with a lot of variables in mind.
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Post by jehosofat on Jul 27, 2019 9:59:53 GMT -6
Yep, I'm in the heifer stage also, bull calves are just a by product to help pay the feed, fertilizer, etc bills.
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Post by tcranch on Jul 28, 2019 16:40:11 GMT -6
The first year we started our operation we only had 10 heifers and kept them all to grow the herd. For the past probably 7 years it's been 50/50 (give or take) and I generally keep at least 5. My problem is the opposite because I'm the worst at culling but can't help myself and retain my faves - not always based on lineage, I have to really love her. I need bull calves!
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Post by talltimber on Jul 28, 2019 21:05:07 GMT -6
This is where I am at as well. I am almost to carrying capacity, buying outside hay, and am trying to decide staying black angus bulls on angus/angus cross cows or going with a cross for a better hfr.
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Post by randy on Jul 29, 2019 4:07:27 GMT -6
Just keep trying to stay in the middle of the road myself. Seems to me the better the balance off all things the more consistant things become.
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Post by chuckie on Aug 14, 2019 13:04:09 GMT -6
I find that the very masculine bulls make the best cows. I am still raising Angus, and it is hard to get all the traits lined up with good legs. You can find a good masculine bull, but often his rear legs are not right. I did purchase a bull that had a slight wiggle in his hocks, and he lost the use of his back legs as far as breeding early. The wiggle was small, but proved to be a weakness that would not hold up. He could get his legs up underneath him well. If you see something that doesn't look right, then be very careful about bringing him home. Often at sales I will see expensive bulls sell and the legs are so off that it gives me the chills that people put that kind of money in the bull. It is just too much weight piled up on those leg joints during breeding, and they give out.
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Post by Snoopdog on Aug 29, 2019 4:36:03 GMT -6
Seeing this as well out of my bull, very nice heifers, very hard to cull at an early age, but we simply don't have the space to develop them all.
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Post by ebenezer on Aug 30, 2019 5:52:07 GMT -6
The cycle never stops. A guru on CT has recommended a current bull in a catalog due to a "great mother". Phenotype was best ever. But she only is shown with 2 calves in her EPDs. Her breeding, or as he waxed eloquently, as double bred, lined up a low HP EPD and I see it in the bloodlines of cows in the maternal side of the pedigree. The sire apparently brought in poor DOC. Yet he recommends this current bull as a cheap fix for Leachman Righttime. I would have trouble directly using Righttime in our environment, from what I have seen, but he left some good cattle and plenty to sort through. But there is a great deal of emptiness in recommendations. I personally would not pay a lot for Righttime because I would have to cull too many but have paid a good bit for other old sires that actually had decent track records. It seems every chat site gives every poster the ability to rise to "guru on the mountain top" in no time. Everybody reads a book, goes to a seminar, buys a cow, plants some seed and suddenly have strong opinions and fixed ideas. There is a FB page that is about regenerative agriculture I got on somehow. What a funny mix. One sprays, one only sprays brand X, one does no spray but cuts with a chain saw, one does not spray but used an axe while "Mr. Pure" or "Mrs. Pure" uses nothing and waits for nature to heal the situation. Common sense and mental comprehension is in short supply.
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Post by randy on Aug 30, 2019 7:38:33 GMT -6
Not many bulls can do it all. A lot of bulls get get there glossy pictures in the breed rags and semen catalogs that should never have been allowed to keep there nuts. When you do find the great bull that does every thing as close to right as you think you can get you better hang on to him as long as you can. Because finding the next one will take a while.
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