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Post by cross on Aug 13, 2019 14:17:49 GMT -6
I’m good friends with a guy that’s the manager of a large New Holland dealership.
He came up through ranks and got to where he’s at in life due to hard work and being more disciplined than most.
First one there, last to leave and zero tolerance for bs.
Early on when he was promoted he set a higher standard for the employees and a zero tolerance for being late, lazy, excessive sick days and so on.
He said it got crazy busy. The shop was way behind and the customers were in his ear.
He said it was just him a few other guys left. He had ran everyone else off.
He told me he had to learn to be a little more tolerant than he’d like to be or he’d be the only one left there working.
If a manager is so puffed and full of themselves they can ruin a place.
Just my observation
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Post by fence on Aug 13, 2019 14:30:53 GMT -6
Tell him I said screw the pussies. Do it yourself, just pay yourself, and the few with the backbone to actually do a job, for doing it.
If you let one person get away with being no-good it will infect your entire outfit.
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Post by tcranch on Aug 13, 2019 17:10:05 GMT -6
We have a neighbor that managed one of the local CoOp's. Hard work, do the job until it's done, customer service was a priority. There was turnover with some of the younger employees that didn't agree with his work ethic but he had a lot of employees that had been there 20+ years. General Manager retires and most thought our neighbor would be first pick as the replacement, including him. Not even. Sadly, in today's environment the minimum is acceptable and upper management needs someone that can coddle the slackers but still see somewhat of a profit. Or if no profit, a convincing explanation as to why. And my neighbor? He "retired" but went to work somewhere else.
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Post by cross on Aug 13, 2019 17:20:08 GMT -6
We have a neighbor that managed one of the local CoOp's. Hard work, do the job until it's done, customer service was a priority. There was turnover with some of the younger employees that didn't agree with his work ethic but he had a lot of employees that had been there 20+ years. General Manager retires and most thought our neighbor would be first pick as the replacement, including him. Not even. Sadly, in today's environment the minimum is acceptable and upper management needs someone that can coddle the slackers but still see somewhat of a profit. Or if no profit, a convincing explanation as to why. And my neighbor? He "retired" but went to work somewhere else. Probably 50% of my customers are co-op’s. I feel for the managers, the board changes every few years and the guys that were calling the shots hide behind the scene and as the manager you’re the front man . The board turns over and the guys toes you stepped on give you the axe. But I do agree on some of the co-op workers. They don’t mind hard work, they’ll stand there with their hand in their pockets and watch it all day, but in their defense they don’t pay those guys squat. |
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Post by greybeard on Aug 13, 2019 22:17:26 GMT -6
I'm not talking about co-ops in particular cross, but didn't the guys know what the pay was when they took to positions? If ya take a job, and know up front what the pay is, then it's incumbent on the worker to give his full measure for what he agreed to work for. Of course, that's a work ethic I developed early in my life.......was getting paid about $145/month to get shot at, but I knew exactly what the job entailed and what the pay was when i signed on the line. It's one of those "ride for the brand" things I guess, but it's served me well for a lifetime. cowboyaccountant.com/2018/06/13/ride-for-the-brand/ |
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Post by cross on Aug 14, 2019 4:14:33 GMT -6
We have the same problem with our warehouse workers.
The warehouse manager told me he spends his days keeping them moving.
They’ve increased the starting wage in order to attract better help but it doesn’t to be working.
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Post by cowrancher75 on Aug 14, 2019 4:35:40 GMT -6
they keep upping the $$$ around here but it doesn't matter
i spent 2 months looking for another helper and only a few even show up.
thats why i'm over a year behind in work and turning down jobs everyday.. can't even sub any out.
I tried to sub some out to a few guys who have a business doing it.. they didn't want it.. then i saw them next week complaing how there isn't any work.. so they went out of business. uhh... LOTS OF WORK.. you just HAVE to work...
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Post by joe on Aug 14, 2019 5:42:12 GMT -6
You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. It does not hurt a manager one bit, as long as they earn and have respect, to treat others as he would expect himself. Those slave driving hardazzes are a thing of the past as people will not and don't have to put up with their BS. What always earned my respect of a manager was somebody that was hands on, yet still earned, had respect and treated people as humans. There are a few bad apples to get rid of at times, but that is why they get the big bucks.
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Post by hook on Aug 14, 2019 5:57:31 GMT -6
Good thread.
When I was running crews I always told them one thing. Ill start you at xx/hr, but ill pay you what youre worth. And I never asked anytning of them that I wouldnt or didnt do myself. They could take breaks as needed, I wouldnt say anything. Sometimes id have to keep them rolling with encouragement. When it came time to get paid, they saw what they were worth. Sometimes double what their hourly was. Sometime just their hourly. They caught on quick, and it paid off. Leading by example always helps too
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Post by cross on Aug 14, 2019 6:15:42 GMT -6
You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar. It does not hurt a manager one bit, as long as they earn and have respect, to treat others as he would expect himself. Those slave driving hardazzes are a thing of the past as people will not and don't have to put up with their BS. What always earned my respect of a manager was somebody that was hands on, yet still earned, had respect and treated people as humans. There are a few bad apples to get rid of at times, but that is why they get the big bucks. I know a guy that the manager of a big coop. Three locations, 3 stores, spray rigs, fertilizer you name it. 2 million bushel wheat capacity. He deals with big money all day everyday and lots of employees. Few years ago they were taking in wheat and working 7 days a week and 15 hour days. One evening late they were trying to finish up for the day and a belt broke on an elevator leg. Everyone was tired and complaining because they had to stay and fix it. He told them to go on home and they fix it the next morning. They came in the next morning and it was fixed. The manager had stayed fixed by himself. I heard that story from the employees. It’s not often you hear people bragging about their boss |
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Aug 14, 2019 6:19:27 GMT -6
Good thread. When I was running crews I always told them one thing. Ill start you at xx/hr, but ill pay you what youre worth. And I never asked anytning of them that I wouldnt or didnt do myself. They could take breaks as needed, I wouldnt say anything. Sometimes id have to keep them rolling with encouragement. When it came time to get paid, they saw what they were worth. Sometimes double what their hourly was. Sometime just their hourly. They caught on quick, and it paid off. Leading by example always helps too I like that Hook. When you run your own deal, you can treat people fair and get a lot done. I was working for a small company that allowed a lot of freedom at each place of business. They figured we understood the local environment, and they were right. I worked hard and my employees worked hard for me because I was fair. They'd go above and beyond. Got bought out by a large corporation and everything changed to centralized decisions. Lot of impractical decisions were handed down. Certain people you couldn't fire because they became protected and you couldn't drug test anymore. I couldn't find the exit from that madness fast enough. |
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Post by fence on Aug 14, 2019 6:35:35 GMT -6
Thing is your employees represent you. I can't stand being late. I leave for every appointment I have with enough time to drive at a safe, legal speed and change a flat tire and arrive on time.
A employee that's late makes me late, a employee that misses work messes up my schedule, a employee that's rude to a customer gets a ride. I'm the only one with that privledge. I've run everyone off few times and never regretted it the slightest. GB touched on it above. The deal was laid out when you hired on. Not living up to your end of the deal is no part of being a man.
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Post by greybeard on Aug 14, 2019 7:50:20 GMT -6
Good thread. When I was running crews I always told them one thing. Ill start you at xx/hr, but ill pay you what youre worth. I've done well at a couple of machine shop jobs hiring on under that exact presentation. All I wanted, was to get my foot in the door. |
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Post by dave on Aug 14, 2019 9:01:31 GMT -6
High lead logging in the PNW. You better work hard or you will be looking for a new job this afternoon. The crew bus stops to pick you up and you aren't standing there they just leave. If you can't take being cussed at it is best not to apply because you will be cussed at. Setting chokers there is an old saying that still applies today. You run in for your job and out for your life. That is when the riggin comes out as soon as the whistle is blown to stop you run in and grab your choker and set it on a log as fast as you can. There will be cables dancing, chokers swinging around, and you jump into the middle of it all. As soon as people are getting to safety the riggin slinger will whistle to yard in the logs. Often they will signal the go ahead before people are in the clear but headed the right direction. They will yell at new guys to run or die. It was that way 40-50 years ago and still that way today. They do go through some people to find the ones who are willing to work. But if you make it you will make good money and you will be working with men. There is a certain amount of pride in that.
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Post by backhoeboogie on Aug 14, 2019 9:17:12 GMT -6
When you have a major crisis, who's got your back ? When the shit hits the fan around here, I know who I can count on. I value that.
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