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Post by highgrit on Dec 1, 2019 8:45:54 GMT -6
As an outsider looking in from my hunting ventures out west, a BLM lease is good for the adjacent land owners, and not the general public. Restricting the taxpayers from public property because of no access isn't right. IMO But I'd be doing the same thing if I could.
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Post by dave on Dec 1, 2019 8:59:15 GMT -6
I'm not a big poster anywhere, but I have worked for a lot of BTO in my area. There are people who exist, who believe that the BTO are all crooks, and just wake up and collect money. Read that thread Dave, don't know how BTO you are, but I have an idea what it took to achieve it. GS The misconceptions are amazing. I am in no way, shape, or form a BTO. Right now I own 24 heifers that run 450-500 pounds. My total BLM allotment is for 65 cows. I happen to be surrounded by a few of those BTO along with other ranchers who just make a living. When we bought this place it closed in April but we didn't get possession until the first of July. That was too late to be buying cattle. So we leased it to a guy who is a BTO. The BLM requires a 3 year lease. So our lease is for 3 years. In negotiating the lease I got more money be offering to assist with things. He came up with more money. I have a part time job. He has 2 full time employees and will call me when he needs more assistance. I have done irrigation, hauled cows and hay, fed cows, helped at brandings, installed water troughs, and working cows. One of the things I have done lately is go to the sale and buy light feeder calves for him. That puts me at the sale a couple times a week. This is a very small community. It is not difficult to see what everyone else is doing and how it is working. I have always been careful not to identify my neighbors but I refer to them as neighbor B or neighbor C and I never claim to personally have done what they did. |
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Post by greybeard on Dec 1, 2019 10:52:40 GMT -6
my farm here.. is so worn out from crops.. that if i don't throw massive amount of NPK down... i'm not getting almost anytthing... i have parts that are coal black top soil down to 8'. I got better yields where i lived before with 6" of top soil and clay/rock below that. Black gumbo? I grew up on it about 55 miles South of here. It did real well for grass but was hell to work. Sticky as heck when wet and like concrete in July and August. There's a large area of blackland prairie about 100 miles West and NW of me and raises some of the best hay in the state but much of it has been put into cotton and beans. |
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Post by franklinridgefarms on Dec 1, 2019 11:06:14 GMT -6
I think a lot of it is an honest misunderstanding. A lot of cattle producers are struggling and whether it’s self inflicted or not there is a lot at stake and folks take things pretty personal when they are in a tough place. I believe there are some real issues that are affecting everyone involved, some more than others, but everyone none the less . The division and infighting just keeps the status quo and prevents the actual discussions of why and how. If somebody has 10,000 acres owned or leased from whatever it doesn’t bother me. There are different scenarios, advantages and disadvantages in every geographic area. One thing is for sure though for all having cattle to care for and land to maintain is work it just doesn’t get done with out it.
As for the other board, I see several swipes some subtle and some not as much at certain views and beliefs.
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Post by cowrancher75 on Dec 1, 2019 11:19:32 GMT -6
my farm here.. is so worn out from crops.. that if i don't throw massive amount of NPK down... i'm not getting almost anytthing... i have parts that are coal black top soil down to 8'. I got better yields where i lived before with 6" of top soil and clay/rock below that. Black gumbo? I grew up on it about 55 miles South of here. It did real well for grass but was hell to work. Sticky as heck when wet and like concrete in July and August. There's a large area of blackland prairie about 100 miles West and NW of me and raises some of the best hay in the state but much of it has been put into cotton and beans.
no this is like the potting soil you'd buy in the bag.
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Post by cowrancher75 on Dec 1, 2019 11:23:33 GMT -6
I think a lot of it is an honest misunderstanding. A lot of cattle producers are struggling and whether it’s self inflicted or not there is a lot at stake and folks take things pretty personal when they are in a tough place. I believe there are some real issues that are affecting everyone involved, some more than others, but everyone none the less . The division and infighting just keeps the status quo and prevents the actual discussions of why and how. If somebody has 10,000 acres owned or leased from whatever it doesn’t bother me. There are different scenarios, advantages and disadvantages in every geographic area. One thing is for sure though for all having cattle to care for and land to maintain is work it just doesn’t get done with out it. As for the other board, I see several swipes some subtle and some not as much at certain views and beliefs.
everyone is pretty tight lipped on what they have found to work...
I understand.. you work very hard.. spend a lot of money and time.. a lot for nothing.. to figure it out.. why would you tell how you make money when it about broke you to figure out?
most people don't want to hear it even if you'd tell them anyway
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Post by dave on Dec 1, 2019 11:29:22 GMT -6
As an outsider looking in from my hunting ventures out west, a BLM lease is good for the adjacent land owners, and not the general public. Restricting the taxpayers from public property because of no access isn't right. IMO But I'd be doing the same thing if I could. There are certainly some BLM allotments that are landlocked. But most of them are not. I know that mine aren't. Now road access to the west end isn't available as it goes through a neighbor's property. An out of area hunter would just have to lace up their hiking shoes. There are lots of areas like that. Not easy to access but they get very limited pressure because of that.
It amazes me how often during hunting season some pulls in and asks permission to shoot a little fork horn in my hay field when there is literally over a million acres of public land in this county. I even had a guy stop and ask for permission to shoot a buck on the neighbors place. When I said that it is neighbor L property the guy replied he had stopped to ask there but nobody was home.
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Post by greybeard on Dec 1, 2019 11:58:02 GMT -6
At least they had the courtesy to ask Dave..
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Post by cowrancher75 on Dec 1, 2019 15:15:41 GMT -6
As an outsider looking in from my hunting ventures out west, a BLM lease is good for the adjacent land owners, and not the general public. Restricting the taxpayers from public property because of no access isn't right. IMO But I'd be doing the same thing if I could. There are certainly some BLM allotments that are landlocked. But most of them are not. I know that mine aren't. Now road access to the west end isn't available as it goes through a neighbor's property. An out of area hunter would just have to lace up their hiking shoes. There are lots of areas like that. Not easy to access but they get very limited pressure because of that.
It amazes me how often during hunting season some pulls in and asks permission to shoot a little fork horn in my hay field when there is literally over a million acres of public land in this county. I even had a guy stop and ask for permission to shoot a buck on the neighbors place. When I said that it is neighbor L property the guy replied he had stopped to ask there but nobody was home.
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Post by dave on Dec 1, 2019 15:25:23 GMT -6
At least they had the courtesy to ask Dave.. Oregon is pretty strict about hunting on private ground without permission. But last year we had one stop in the road and darn near shoot over the top of a keep out sign. The wife hopped on a quad and ran out to confront them. They claimed that they missed and we never saw any birds working so I guess that they did miss. We can see most of the road from the living room window. Just up past the house a bit it gets to be pretty much vertical along the road. |
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Post by randy on Dec 2, 2019 7:00:05 GMT -6
We got folks around here that will be inline at the NRCS and FSA office for about every handout that comes out. I expect to see that bit them in the ass in a few years here. Environmental groups are on a mission to kill farming in this area.
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Post by randy on Dec 2, 2019 7:06:34 GMT -6
As an outsider looking in from my hunting ventures out west, a BLM lease is good for the adjacent land owners, and not the general public. Restricting the taxpayers from public property because of no access isn't right. IMO But I'd be doing the same thing if I could. Restrictions are placed on all kinds of government land Grit. We have no BLM land here but plenty of restrictions. NFS has gated all the old forest roads in this area because of a bunch of new food plots that has been built by Wild Turkey federation Rocky Mountian Elk Foundation Arkansas Wildlife Federation and the Arkansas Game and Fish Foundation in partnership with National Forest Service. Buffalo River National Park shuts down all visitors any time it wants to. |
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Post by dave on Dec 2, 2019 7:56:34 GMT -6
There are certainly some BLM allotments that are landlocked. But most of them are not. I know that mine aren't. Now road access to the west end isn't available as it goes through a neighbor's property. An out of area hunter would just have to lace up their hiking shoes. There are lots of areas like that. Not easy to access but they get very limited pressure because of that.
It amazes me how often during hunting season some pulls in and asks permission to shoot a little fork horn in my hay field when there is literally over a million acres of public land in this county. I even had a guy stop and ask for permission to shoot a buck on the neighbors place. When I said that it is neighbor L property the guy replied he had stopped to ask there but nobody was home.
locked gates do wonders No need for that. The only access is down the driveway to the house. There is a bridge over the river in the driveway. Next bridge down stream is about 5 miles. Up stream it is 15 miles to the next bridge. There are a couple places to ford the river with 4 wheel drive but the closest one is about 6 miles up stream. |
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Post by simangking on Dec 2, 2019 11:24:29 GMT -6
As an outsider looking in from my hunting ventures out west, a BLM lease is good for the adjacent land owners, and not the general public. Restricting the taxpayers from public property because of no access isn't right. IMO But I'd be doing the same thing if I could. Considering the Federal government shouldn't own it in the first place, they should be grateful to have anywhere to hunt for free. |
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Post by highgrit on Dec 2, 2019 19:05:48 GMT -6
As an outsider looking in from my hunting ventures out west, a BLM lease is good for the adjacent land owners, and not the general public. Restricting the taxpayers from public property because of no access isn't right. IMO But I'd be doing the same thing if I could. Considering the Federal government shouldn't own it in the first place, they should be grateful to have anywhere to hunt for free. If the government didn't own the land some rich, liberal, anti hunting pos probably would. |
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