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Post by fence on Dec 5, 2019 6:47:09 GMT -6
It ain't bragging if you can do it.
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Post by highgrit on Dec 5, 2019 7:30:54 GMT -6
Access is a big issue when it comes to public property. But what I really can't see as fair, is a private party being able to sell and trade the rights to public property. Our family has made a living off public property since immigrating to the US of A. And the quota and permits we "supposedly" own can be sold, traded or used as collateral and that's not right. IMO
Just because that's the way it is, doesn't mean that it's right.
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Post by dave on Dec 5, 2019 8:30:41 GMT -6
Access is a big issue when it comes to public property. But what I really can't see as fair, is a private party being able to sell and trade the rights to public property. Our family has made a living off public property since immigrating to the US of A. And the quota and permits we "supposedly" own can be sold, traded or used as collateral and that's not right. IMO Just because that's the way it is, doesn't mean that it's right. Well until someone comes up with a better system it is going to stay this way. We certainly don't want to go back to the way it was. The free grazing/over grazing that occurred back them caused big negative results which are still being felt today.
As to the access, you wouldn't let me walk through your house to get to where I want to go. Well you can't walk across my property either without permission. There is a big place near here. It is 25,000 acres of deeded land. They have several thousand acres of land locked BLM. A outfitter set up a camp on that BLM. They fly every thing in and out with a helicopter. There is access, it is just a different method than most will use.
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Dec 5, 2019 13:37:57 GMT -6
You remember those magazines in the 80's that would advertize selling land for .50 or a quarter an acre in the west?
I knew there wasnt any access but always thought about buying a bunch figuring by the time I got old enough, we'd have flying cars. And always figured that helicopter would be my fall back if I had to. 😁
I wonder how much they made off of that scheme?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 18:47:56 GMT -6
I'm a little late to this thread, maybe it was covered, but don't the ranchers who use this BLM land pay for the use of it? Yes they do. The point that people try to make is that the rent is real cheap. What they don't seem to understand is the other cost associated with running on that type of ground. I see. I thought they were saying that if it was privately owned then the gov't would be receiving taxes on it. I was alluding to the fact that the government is receiving ground rent, which in effect is the same thing as far as government coffers go. I use government ground to pasture my cattle, and I too can vouch for the fact it's not the free ride that some people think it is. I have grazing tenure on somewhere around 20,000 acres. Sounds like a lot until you see it lol. |
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Post by silverback on Dec 6, 2019 21:45:08 GMT -6
I'm not a big poster anywhere, but I have worked for a lot of BTO in my area. There are people who exist, who believe that the BTO are all crooks, and just wake up and collect money. Read that thread Dave, don't know how BTO you are, but I have an idea what it took to achieve it. GS The misconceptions are amazing. I am in no way, shape, or form a BTO. Right now I own 24 heifers that run 450-500 pounds. My total BLM allotment is for 65 cows. I happen to be surrounded by a few of those BTO along with other ranchers who just make a living. When we bought this place it closed in April but we didn't get possession until the first of July. That was too late to be buying cattle. So we leased it to a guy who is a BTO. The BLM requires a 3 year lease. So our lease is for 3 years. In negotiating the lease I got more money be offering to assist with things. He came up with more money. I have a part time job. He has 2 full time employees and will call me when he needs more assistance. I have done irrigation, hauled cows and hay, fed cows, helped at brandings, installed water troughs, and working cows. One of the things I have done lately is go to the sale and buy light feeder calves for him. That puts me at the sale a couple times a week. This is a very small community. It is not difficult to see what everyone else is doing and how it is working. I have always been careful not to identify my neighbors but I refer to them as neighbor B or neighbor C and I never claim to personally have done what they did. Dave, I believe if you had posted this over at CT, it would have cleared things up considerably and alleviated the conflict. I appreciate you at least posting it here. |
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Post by dave on Dec 6, 2019 22:57:18 GMT -6
The misconceptions are amazing. I am in no way, shape, or form a BTO. Right now I own 24 heifers that run 450-500 pounds. My total BLM allotment is for 65 cows. I happen to be surrounded by a few of those BTO along with other ranchers who just make a living. When we bought this place it closed in April but we didn't get possession until the first of July. That was too late to be buying cattle. So we leased it to a guy who is a BTO. The BLM requires a 3 year lease. So our lease is for 3 years. In negotiating the lease I got more money be offering to assist with things. He came up with more money. I have a part time job. He has 2 full time employees and will call me when he needs more assistance. I have done irrigation, hauled cows and hay, fed cows, helped at brandings, installed water troughs, and working cows. One of the things I have done lately is go to the sale and buy light feeder calves for him. That puts me at the sale a couple times a week. This is a very small community. It is not difficult to see what everyone else is doing and how it is working. I have always been careful not to identify my neighbors but I refer to them as neighbor B or neighbor C and I never claim to personally have done what they did. Dave, I believe if you had posted this over at CT, it would have cleared things up considerably and alleviated the conflict. I appreciate you at least posting it here. When I moved on to this place in the summer of 2018 I posted pictures of the ranch and told most of the information from this post. And ever since then when I posted things it has always been this neighbor did such and such or that I helped the neighbors with whatever. I even posted a link to the real estate company who had the listing. I was referred to as "money bags" by one poster who saw the listed price. Yet in this last go around it was claimed that I inherited the ranch. There were assumptions made by one very negative poster in an attempt to discredit me because I have BLM allotments. |
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Post by randy on Dec 7, 2019 6:02:05 GMT -6
The debate on the BLM leases on ct have always been the same. You have a group on that site that is jealous of the fact that Dave and other in the west can have thousands of acres of public land leased to graze at a price they think is way to cheap. They don't have a clue as to the number of cattle Dave can run on the BLM land or how much work it takes to keep it up.
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Post by dave on Dec 7, 2019 8:28:50 GMT -6
What is funny about the whole deal is they don't realize what that ground is like. In the end the government was allowing homesteaders here to claim an entire section, 640 acres. And people didn't take 640 acres of free land. That was because there wasn't any water or enough of a flat spot to build a cabin and plant a garden. The areas with decent water and land all got taken up. What is left is sorry grazing at best. There is a lot of semi sorry grazing mixed in. That is where someone homesteaded. They were there long enough to get title but ended up selling out. That became deeded range land.
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Post by randy on Dec 7, 2019 16:39:10 GMT -6
What is funny about the whole deal is they don't realize what that ground is like. In the end the government was allowing homesteaders here to claim an entire section, 640 acres. And people didn't take 640 acres of free land. That was because there wasn't any water or enough of a flat spot to build a cabin and plant a garden. The areas with decent water and land all got taken up. What is left is sorry grazing at best. There is a lot of semi sorry grazing mixed in. That is where someone homesteaded. They were there long enough to get title but ended up selling out. That became deeded range land. Just goes to show the mental capacity of some of those over on that other place. |
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Post by highgrit on Dec 8, 2019 6:21:06 GMT -6
Dave I sure wish you'd post more pictures of the work you do and the places your privileged to work on. Glad your finally hitting your stride and living the dream.
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Post by dave on Dec 8, 2019 10:37:50 GMT -6
Dave I sure wish you'd post more pictures of the work you do and the places your privileged to work on. Glad your finally hitting your stride and living the dream. Probably not a lot of pictures for a few months. Most everything above the level of the valley floor is white. And don't go up the hill when it is white. Too much steep ground to slide off. One of the neighbors says they spend all summer making hay and all winter feeding it with a brief break in the spring and fall. |
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Post by greybeard on Dec 8, 2019 13:34:38 GMT -6
The debate on the BLM leases on ct have always been the same. You have a group on that site that is jealous of the fact that Dave and other in the west can have thousands of acres of public land leased to graze at a price they think is way to cheap. They don't have a clue as to the number of cattle Dave can run on the BLM land or how much work it takes to keep it up. DING DING DING! Winner!! |
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