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Post by brightraven on Jan 10, 2020 5:17:05 GMT -6
Let's all take the High Road. 🐮🐮🐮🐮🐮 I used almost a whole cane of this bull this breeding season. First time I have used him. I used him on some of what I think are my best cows.  upload |
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Post by highgrit on Jan 10, 2020 6:19:59 GMT -6
I'd be really worried about birth weight myself. Why did you choose to use him so heavily when he has no track record?
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Post by brightraven on Jan 10, 2020 6:23:54 GMT -6
I'd be really worried about birth weight myself. Why did you choose to use him so heavily when he has no track record? Vince. I thought you would know that. I have the luxury of being an experimenter. Someone has to be the first to use a bull. In my case, I am not going to go without food and shelter if he fails. I sell my bulls. Been doing it for 6 years now. I have very happy buyers waiting. |
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Post by highgrit on Jan 10, 2020 6:42:38 GMT -6
Do you know what his length of gestation was? 94lb birth weight is a lot and who's to say his numbers haven't been doctored a little? Your birth weights will be higher than average and that would be a tough sell around here.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 10, 2020 6:47:29 GMT -6
Do you know what his length of gestation was? 94lb birth weight is a lot and who's to say his numbers haven't been doctored a little? Your birth weights will be higher than average and that would be a tough sell around here. You might be surprised. Plus Vince, his sire is Beacon. You know what, I am more worried his calves will be on the Dinky side. Forgot. No I don't know his gestation. I put a lot of value on that. I record all my gestation periods |
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Post by highgrit on Jan 10, 2020 7:17:22 GMT -6
Do you know what his length of gestation was? 94lb birth weight is a lot and who's to say his numbers haven't been doctored a little? Your birth weights will be higher than average and that would be a tough sell around here. You might be surprised. Plus Vince, his sire is Beacon. You know what, I am more worried his calves will be on the Dinky side. Forgot. No I don't know his gestation. I put a lot of value on that. I record all my gestation periods Practice what you preach. Gestation length is a very valuable number when you have a reliable birth weight. |
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Post by brightraven on Jan 10, 2020 8:04:47 GMT -6
You might be surprised. Plus Vince, his sire is Beacon. You know what, I am more worried his calves will be on the Dinky side. Forgot. No I don't know his gestation. I put a lot of value on that. I record all my gestation periods Practice what you preach. Gestation length is a very valuable number when you have a reliable birth weight. Gestation period is a big factor in BW. |
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Post by 76bar on Jan 11, 2020 12:01:32 GMT -6
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Post by brightraven on Jan 11, 2020 15:36:16 GMT -6
Here are the EPDs on the Dam, for background:  The 25 calves registered to her are listed as 3 natural. 22 donor. Of the 25 calves, you would have to call the owner of WS Miss Sugar to be absolutely sure which 3 were raised on her. The other way is to look at each calf. Check which 3 calves share the prefix of the Dam. The Dam's Prefix is WS. Any calf that she raised that was registered by the owner of WS Miss Sugar MIGHT have that Prefix. It is difficult to be sure. Just as a NOTE. The second donor calf from the bottom is the calf that is the subject of this thread. Here is a screenshot of the 25 calves Registered to her. I only see one with the WS prefix.  |
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Post by highgrit on Jan 11, 2020 19:04:25 GMT -6
Looks like you made your decision to use High Road based solely on his numbers, very risky but you won't see any downside unless it's birthweight issues. Under your management you can take a sale barn bull calf and produce a nice bull.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 11, 2020 19:09:19 GMT -6
Looks like you made your decision to use High Road based solely on his numbers, very risky but you won't see any downside unless it's birthweight issues. Under your management you can take a sale barn bull calf and produce a nice bull. The cows I used him on should make nice calves and yes, his EPDs will be appealing. If a calf has the genetic potential and cannot do well under my system, they need to go the a feeder lot. |
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Post by 76bar on Jan 12, 2020 10:53:27 GMT -6
Looks like you made your decision to use High Road based solely on his numbers, very risky but you won't see any downside unless it's birthweight issues. Under your management you can take a sale barn bull calf and produce a nice bull. |
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Post by 76bar on Jan 12, 2020 11:53:52 GMT -6
BR you obviously didn't peruse the link I provided for High Road's dam. Its unfortunate that The Simmental Assn doesn't distinguish between naturally raised versus her ET calves. IMO cows worthy of flushing should have stood the test of time in challenging environments.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 12, 2020 12:29:28 GMT -6
BR you obviously didn't peruse the link I provided for High Road's dam. Its unfortunate that The Simmental Assn doesn't distinguish between naturally raised versus her ET calves. IMO cows worthy of flushing should have stood the test of time in challenging environments. I did. Maybe you have a different definition of peruse. I accessed the data through my ASA account. Following is the information I used; See image. As you can see, it is the same page as your link. Twenty five calves have been registered to WS Miss Sugar. It shows 18 males and 7 females. It shows 3 were natural born, 22 were donor calves and zero surrogate. The donor calves are ET calves put in a recipient cow and registered back to WS Miss Sugar. Maybe you didn't see that. IDK. If you need help, go down to the progeny summary. You must not understand ASA progeny reports. They do distinguish between natural calves and ET (donor) calves. The 3 calves listed as natural are calves live born to her. The 22 calves listed as donor calves are embryo calves (flushes out of her) but born to a recipient cow. The donor calves are registered with WS Miss Sugar as the Dam and will be recorded as her progeny in her progeny summary. If you want to identify on an individual calf basis which calf is a donor calf, you can do that by looking at the individual calf record. That will tell you each calf that was a donated embryo from WS Miss Sugar and obviously, transferred to a recipient and born to that recipient. Click on the registration # in the progeny list. If they are embryo transfers it will say FRESH EMBRYO COW. OR BULL. From my account. I concealed my name & membership #:  FROM YOUR LINK IF YOU NEED TO CONFIRM I PERUSED IT. 😊  |
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Post by 76bar on Jan 13, 2020 11:42:20 GMT -6
Truth be known I do. One of the results of the ~ 2010/2012 (?) collaboration between ASA and RAAA resulted in both associations dramatically upgrading and expanding their respective animal search format & options.
Admittedly my query was poorly worded. IMO natural and ET calves should be so designated on the progeny report itself. Slogging thru numerous registration numbers to determine natural versus ET is a decided oversight on behalf of both associations.
MS Sugar C4 is shown as being born 1-16-15.
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