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Post by brightraven on Jan 31, 2020 9:13:52 GMT -6
We discussed religion. We exposed the servile Trump fan club. Now, We need new material.
How about breeds?
Assuming foreign beef imports or synthetic meats don't take out beef producers, what breed will dominate? What is the best beef breed? And where are they best suited?
To start off, it will be difficult to displace Angus at the head of the table. The AAA has the best promotion machinery in the industry. Their program has been so effective that every other major breed has imitated it. Right down to the color of the pelage.
Brahman are certainly important on an international level. There are probably more Brahman influenced cattle on the planet than any other breed.
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Post by fence on Jan 31, 2020 9:28:38 GMT -6
We are currently using predominantly black cows, all with some bramha influence.i have two groups that I run char bulls on for commercial calves and a small group of about twenty with a f1 bramha x Hereford bull, some pure Hereford cows in that group. The heifers will be gone through for replacements.
I truly like the char x calves. They grow good on pasture and they sell good.
But I consider important to have the option of being able to go black by just changing bulls. That's why you won't find any char in my cowherd.
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Post by fence on Jan 31, 2020 9:34:26 GMT -6
There's no doubt the Angus breed has promoted themselves to the top. And I don't see that changing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 9:37:58 GMT -6
We discussed religion. We exposed the servile Trump fan club. Now, We need new material. How about breeds? Assuming foreign beef imports or synthetic meats don't take out beef producers, what breed will dominate? What is the best beef breed? And where are they best suited? To start off, it will be difficult to displace Angus at the head of the table. The AAA has the best promotion machinery in the industry. Their program has been so effective that every other major breed has imitated it. Right down to the color of the pelage. Brahman are certainly important on an international level. There are probably more Brahman influenced cattle on the planet than any other breed. I have read that among all cattle breeds worldwide, the Simmental breed is second in numbers only to Brahman. That is interesting to me, and points out that the world as viewed from one place can present a skewed version of reality. |
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Post by brightraven on Jan 31, 2020 9:48:33 GMT -6
We discussed religion. We exposed the servile Trump fan club. Now, We need new material. How about breeds? Assuming foreign beef imports or synthetic meats don't take out beef producers, what breed will dominate? What is the best beef breed? And where are they best suited? To start off, it will be difficult to displace Angus at the head of the table. The AAA has the best promotion machinery in the industry. Their program has been so effective that every other major breed has imitated it. Right down to the color of the pelage. Brahman are certainly important on an international level. There are probably more Brahman influenced cattle on the planet than any other breed. I have read that among all cattle breeds worldwide, the Simmental breed is second in numbers only to Brahman. That is interesting to me, and points out that the world as viewed from one place can present a skewed version of reality. I did not know that. The Modern American Simmental as represented by the ASA has chased the Angus model with traits such as black pelage, frame score, etc. What they bring to the table is muscle, milk, bone, carcass quality, maternal traits, and docility. |
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Post by brightraven on Jan 31, 2020 9:53:19 GMT -6
In my case, I have a small Simmental seedstock operation. It works very efficiently. I have not advertised for the last two years. Heifers are easy to sell. I have a standing order to buy every heifer I produce from a large commercial producer.
My operation fits well in this area. I have a good market for bulls going out to work on Angus cows. I sold 7 bulls last year. If I were producing larger numbers, it might require me to do more promotions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 11:27:33 GMT -6
On a global perspective I don't expect Simmental to move from where they are, or Angus cattle to surpass them. They work too well in too many areas for that to change.
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Post by fence on Jan 31, 2020 11:32:48 GMT -6
On a global perspective I don't expect Simmental to move from where they are, or Angus cattle to surpass them. They work too well in too many areas for that to change. Do run simmental out on range. My experience with them. Which is limited. Has been they raise very good calves, but the cows fall apart if not on excellent grass or being fed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 11:40:04 GMT -6
On a global perspective I don't expect Simmental to move from where they are, or Angus cattle to surpass them. They work too well in too many areas for that to change. Do run simmental out on range. My experience with them. Which is limited. Has been they raise very good calves, but the cows fall apart if not on excellent grass or being fed. Up here Simmental are very common, and so is some pretty tough range. We turn our cattle out into the forest in late May and they scrounge until late fall. They seem to stand up as well as any, but like any breed you need to keep a careful eye on feet and cull for it as required. I would expect that where they originated in Switzerland they experienced some pretty rugged country. |
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Post by fence on Jan 31, 2020 12:04:20 GMT -6
In the end it's going to be the meat companies who decide what breed they want. And who will provide them. When that happens it won't matter. If you don't have a contract you will be selling on Craigslist. I predict the Angus will be the white chicken of the beef industry.....
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Post by Nesikep on Jan 31, 2020 12:19:03 GMT -6
On a global perspective I don't expect Simmental to move from where they are, or Angus cattle to surpass them. They work too well in too many areas for that to change. Do run simmental out on range. My experience with them. Which is limited. Has been they raise very good calves, but the cows fall apart if not on excellent grass or being fed. One of the ranchers here had some big old school Simm cross cows, they came home with 750 lb calves, they worked for their food, they'd break our fences to get to the food, they'd climb cliffs to get back to their calves... they didn't lose much condition doing it either.. Mean bastards too. |
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Post by highgrit on Jan 31, 2020 12:59:16 GMT -6
Carcass quality is the Angus strong point, followed closely by cutout percentage. We have a local feed lot that is paying $1+ more a pound if you use a wagyu bull on your Angus cows. And they have every animal DNA tested at their cost and have their own kill plant. 44 Farms and Walmart teaming up together is the way it's going to be in the future if you want to get top dollar for your cattle. I hope DNA testing will become mandatory to sell CAB, any breed can produce tender hamburger. The marbling, tenderness and taste of Angus beef is what has made it the number one choice of the consumer world wide.
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Post by fence on Jan 31, 2020 13:16:42 GMT -6
Waygu interest me very much. I really think there may be opportunity there.
As far as Angus quality. Have you the opportunity to to sit down and compare Angus against other breeds in a fair comparison. I don't know of many people who have.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 31, 2020 13:27:42 GMT -6
Waygu interest me very much. I really think there may be opportunity there. As far as Angus quality. Have you the opportunity to to sit down and compare Angus against other breeds in a fair comparison. I don't know of many people who have. I have read a couple research reports where they attempt (I say attempt because they could not reach a valid conclusion) to determine which breed has the "best" taste and is overall more palatable. The researchers concluded their results cannot withstand scrutiny. Surprisingly, Angus did not rate as high in the tests as one would suspect. Until someone can define and test what really is "better", it is nothing but promotion and advertising. Now - Carcass quality is much more defined. Angus and Simmental both rate high in carcass quality . |
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Post by fence on Jan 31, 2020 13:58:48 GMT -6
Waygu interest me very much. I really think there may be opportunity there. As far as Angus quality. Have you the opportunity to to sit down and compare Angus against other breeds in a fair comparison. I don't know of many people who have. I have read a couple research reports where they attempt (I say attempt because they could not reach a valid conclusion) to determine which breed has the "best" taste and is overall more palatable. The researchers concluded their results cannot withstand scrutiny. Surprisingly, Angus did not rate as high in the tests as one would suspect. Until someone can define and test what really is "better", it is nothing but promotion and advertising. Now - Carcass quality is much more defined. Angus and Simmental both rate high in carcass quality . Imfamiliar with that test. In one category, only judging beef flavor Brahma ranked first. I can speak from experience tha longhorn can provide very good flavor. If you like beef and not fat that is. I like a good prime steak as much as anyone. But there's more to a steer than the rib cuts. You would have to have like cuts coming from like animals coming from the same pasture and feed. Butcher d from the same butcher and cooked together to tell. Anything else would be simply believing what you hear. I often but from the prime counter at HEB. But never from the CAB. |
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