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Post by brightraven on Jan 31, 2020 14:06:40 GMT -6
I have read a couple research reports where they attempt (I say attempt because they could not reach a valid conclusion) to determine which breed has the "best" taste and is overall more palatable. The researchers concluded their results cannot withstand scrutiny. Surprisingly, Angus did not rate as high in the tests as one would suspect. Until someone can define and test what really is "better", it is nothing but promotion and advertising. Now - Carcass quality is much more defined. Angus and Simmental both rate high in carcass quality . Imfamiliar with that test. In one category, only judging beef flavor Brahma ranked first. I can speak from experience tha longhorn can provide very good flavor. If you like beef and not fat that is. I like a good prime steak as much as anyone. But there's more to a steer than the rib cuts. You would have to have like cuts coming from like animals coming from the same pasture and feed. Butcher d from the same butcher and cooked together to tell. Anything else would be simply believing what you hear. I often but from the prime counter at HEB. But never from the CAB. I posted that report on CT. Yes. Brahman ranked first. TT was whining to me about it. Lol. Remember, he got banned over a conflict About Angus And Brahman .
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Post by highgrit on Jan 31, 2020 14:29:24 GMT -6
I can't see where one breed of cattle can taste any better than another when raised under the same conditions. Taste is a very individual sense. Personally I thought Wagyu had a greasy taste myself but it sure wast tender.
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Post by fence on Jan 31, 2020 14:33:23 GMT -6
I can't see where one breed of cattle can taste any better than another when raised under the same conditions. Taste is a very individual sense. Personally I thought Wagyu had a greasy taste myself but it sure wast tender. So it was greasy because of the conditions it was raised in. Not because it was waygu..
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Post by highgrit on Jan 31, 2020 14:41:19 GMT -6
I can't see where one breed of cattle can taste any better than another when raised under the same conditions. Taste is a very individual sense. Personally I thought Wagyu had a greasy taste myself but it sure wast tender. So it was greasy because of the conditions it was raised in. Not because it was waygu.. Damn if I know, I've never had much sense.
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Post by M-5 on Jan 31, 2020 14:50:15 GMT -6
It all taste good if it's prepared properly.
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Post by Nesikep on Jan 31, 2020 15:18:58 GMT -6
Some people want lean beef, some want marbled beef, you're never going to have a product that fits everyone's desires... Cattle tend to get tastier as they get a little age, I butcher around 28-30 months, grass finished, nice and tender, but has lots of flavor. One of my friends has been buying a quarter every year, he says it's turned him into a beef snob!
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Post by Nesikep on Jan 31, 2020 15:20:02 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 15:26:16 GMT -6
It is a real testament to the Angus promoters in the US that they have tricked people into believing that Angus beef is superior to other beef. CAB is a little different deal of course. That is a grade of meat, and any breed can hit that quality grade. They just added a black hair condition to the deal and presto, cattle in the US turned black.
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Post by angusrancher on Jan 31, 2020 15:34:46 GMT -6
We had some Simmental back in the '70s that some guy in the Extension Service, with a Phd. probably, told my dad that we needed. They were just too big. C-sections and the whole nine yards. Calves born outside in cold weather were a challenge to pick up. That was a long time ago.
We actually bred some to Black Simmental this last breeding season. Junior's idea, more of an experiment. I just gave stern warnings about watching birth weights. We'll see how that goes.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 31, 2020 15:54:29 GMT -6
We had some Simmental back in the '70s that some guy in the Extension Service, with a Phd. probably, told my dad that we needed. They were just too big. C-sections and the whole nine yards. Calves born outside in cold weather were a challenge to pick up. That was a long time ago. We actually bred some to Black Simmental this last breeding season. Junior's idea, more of an experiment. I just gave stern warnings about watching birth weights. We'll see how that goes. The Modern American Simmental breeder (a bit different than what Silver sees up in BC) has pursued smaller birth weights. I hope they don't go too far. In reading the history of the early Simmental cattle, they were known for big birthweights, some were well above 100 pounds even some in the150 range. My average birthweight is 87 pounds. I don't want them less than 80. The largest I recorded was 125 pounds, A Broadway calf. My cows can all handle 100 pounds. I have had heifers at least 3 times deliver 100 pound calves unassisted. If you are using contemporary breeding, you should be fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 16:05:22 GMT -6
I don't weigh my calves unless there a cow has a whopper and I want to make sure my story is honest when calving stories get exchanged over whiskey's post calving. But if I were to hazard a guess I would guess my average birthweights are similar to BR's. But I will get a big one once in a while. When I do I just blame the Blonde d'Aquitaine influence and move on
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Post by angusrancher on Jan 31, 2020 17:54:51 GMT -6
We had some Simmental back in the '70s that some guy in the Extension Service, with a Phd. probably, told my dad that we needed. They were just too big. C-sections and the whole nine yards. Calves born outside in cold weather were a challenge to pick up. That was a long time ago. We actually bred some to Black Simmental this last breeding season. Junior's idea, more of an experiment. I just gave stern warnings about watching birth weights. We'll see how that goes. The Modern American Simmental breeder (a bit different than what Silver sees up in BC) has pursued smaller birth weights. I hope they don't go too far. In reading the history of the early Simmental cattle, they were known for big birthweights, some were well above 100 pounds even some in the150 range. My average birthweight is 87 pounds. I don't want them less than 80. The largest I recorded was 125 pounds, A Broadway calf. My cows can all handle 100 pounds. I have had heifers at least 3 times deliver 100 pound calves unassisted. If you are using contemporary breeding, you should be fine. I remember a cesarean that the vet weighed back then, at 140 lbs. He then complained about ranchers anymore think it's a contest to get the biggest calf. I'm really glad the breed has evolved.
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Post by Nesikep on Jan 31, 2020 17:59:57 GMT -6
My biggest calves have all been born unassisted, they were all from cows (140 lb calves from 16-1800 lb cows).. only trouble I ever have is heifers... For some reason some of them just stop growing their second year and end up a lot smaller than I'd like. My average is right around 100 lbs, working on reducing that.
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Post by Nesikep on Jan 31, 2020 18:00:26 GMT -6
I think Hillsdown had a 160ish lb calf?
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Post by birddog on Jan 31, 2020 19:58:58 GMT -6
I have been keeping some of the heifers from some good Charolais cows with a Angus sire. Most of them are a grayish/dirty white colored hide with black noses, dark eye pigment and black hooves. They seem good natured and fertile. Calves grow out well with big big rear ends.
The cows seem to hold their condition on less than ideal forage. I think if I was to start over, I would have a Charo bull over Beefmaster cows.
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