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Post by M-5 on Apr 29, 2020 6:01:10 GMT -6
It is definitely a different world today. Most know I work in construction materials distribution and we have been working non-stop over the last couple months. Business is off but still decent. The last few days I've have several emails and a few phone calls from peers and vendors that live in the bigger cities asking about beef. We are becoming very popular right now with people actually seeing the breakdown in food chain and when I explain how selling direct works they are baffled at what it requires to get meat in their freezer. The problem I see right now that will hinder the opportunity is the local slaughter facilities are at full capacity and no doubt there will be some new ones open to try and capitalize on the cash. It's those I worry about because they will not have our interest or consumer interest in mind only make a buck. Educate , educate , educate everyone that ask you for advice.
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Post by bulltrader on Apr 29, 2020 6:55:38 GMT -6
Here by this time a slaughterhouse got all the permits approved the calves would die of old age.
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Post by franklinridgefarms on Apr 29, 2020 9:21:22 GMT -6
This is what we are seeing too, folks are asking about beef and most have no idea what goes on between the farms and the grocery store. If we didn’t have all of the $&@? regulations and red tape then it would be so simple and much safer n my opinion to just sell beef direct to customers on a much larger scale than most realize. The problem is most folks don’t have freezer capacity for a while or half of beef, but I think if they realized what can happen in situations like we are in that it may seem like pretty good insurance to have an extra freezer of meat.
Society has been conditioned to depend on the system or the government and now it seems so obvious that we need to have alternatives to the big production systems. Local producers could supply a lot of meat, eggs, produce to individuals in their and surrounding areas. It looks like to me that with fewer regulations and less government intrusion that farmers could sell directly to consumers or maybe a co op in some cases and make a more steady farm income and prices could be comparable maybe even less for consumers.
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Post by Allenw on Apr 29, 2020 9:48:57 GMT -6
I've seen the subject brought up on another board of deregulation of small processing facilities. There are a lot of people opposed to anyone but the USDA doing the inspecting and being in charge. I don't see a problem with a state inspected facility selling within the state or even out of state if the inspection process is equivalent to USDA inspection levels.
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Apr 30, 2020 1:58:07 GMT -6
I've seen the subject brought up on another board of deregulation of small processing facilities. There are a lot of people opposed to anyone but the USDA doing the inspecting and being in charge. I don't see a problem with a state inspected facility selling within the state or even out of state if the inspection process is equivalent to USDA inspection levels. You reminded me of something Allen. Who inspects the foreign meat that's imported? No federal inspectors in foreign plants, and even the period plant inspections where slashed under Obama. Title is misleading, it's not 60% of meat inspections, but 60% of just inspecting the plant. www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/11/usda-quietly-eliminated-60-percent-of-foreign-meat-inspections/Whereas in the US, every animal that hits the production line is inspected prior to slaughter and throughout the process. It's BS fo allow a single animal in that hasn't been under the same requirement. |
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Post by ebenezer on Apr 30, 2020 7:06:14 GMT -6
Just like there was prompt action for the virus, the local slaughter situations could be quickly done with mobile slaughter units. They have been around for years. Add a cooler truck and it could be a reoccurring community scheduled event. Let the plants making ventilators switch to making slaughter and processing units. The state inspection punishes producers who want to sell outside the state. Like the deregulation discussions of last election over insurance companies. Deregulate and let's keep more money on the farm. Uh Oh, did I say money!
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Post by franklinridgefarms on Apr 30, 2020 8:24:18 GMT -6
Just like there was prompt action for the virus, the local slaughter situations could be quickly done with mobile slaughter units. They have been around for years. Add a cooler truck and it could be a reoccurring community scheduled event. Let the plants making ventilators switch to making slaughter and processing units. The state inspection punishes producers who want to sell outside the state. Like the deregulation discussions of last election over insurance companies. Deregulate and let's keep more money on the farm. Uh Oh, did I say money! That’s what I have been thinking too, they could authorize mobile units as well as allow local slaughter houses to process what they can. There are people and resources available to load and transport a significant number of these animals to local slaughter houses. In my opinion this is purely a money and influence monopoly and the government is looking the other way while it continues because they are benefiting from the current system that is failing our farmers/ranchers and consumers. Individuals and local co ops should be allowed to sell locally to individuals and to grocery stores these conglomerate monopolies should be broken up into smaller regional companies that actually competed. |
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Post by angusrancher on Apr 30, 2020 18:11:55 GMT -6
I've seen the subject brought up on another board of deregulation of small processing facilities. There are a lot of people opposed to anyone but the USDA doing the inspecting and being in charge. I don't see a problem with a state inspected facility selling within the state or even out of state if the inspection process is equivalent to USDA inspection levels. You reminded me of something Allen. Who inspects the foreign meat that's imported? No federal inspectors in foreign plants, and even the period plant inspections where slashed under Obama. Title is misleading, it's not 60% of meat inspections, but 60% of just inspecting the plant. www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/11/usda-quietly-eliminated-60-percent-of-foreign-meat-inspections/Whereas in the US, every animal that hits the production line is inspected prior to slaughter and throughout the process. It's BS fo allow a single animal in that hasn't been under the same requirement. That's a very important point that I wish those leading the charge would make repeatedly. |
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Post by Allenw on Apr 30, 2020 19:56:17 GMT -6
I've seen the subject brought up on another board of deregulation of small processing facilities. There are a lot of people opposed to anyone but the USDA doing the inspecting and being in charge. I don't see a problem with a state inspected facility selling within the state or even out of state if the inspection process is equivalent to USDA inspection levels. You reminded me of something Allen. Who inspects the foreign meat that's imported? No federal inspectors in foreign plants, and even the period plant inspections where slashed under Obama. Title is misleading, it's not 60% of meat inspections, but 60% of just inspecting the plant. www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/11/usda-quietly-eliminated-60-percent-of-foreign-meat-inspections/Whereas in the US, every animal that hits the production line is inspected prior to slaughter and throughout the process. It's BS fo allow a single animal in that hasn't been under the same requirement.
None of this surprises me.
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Post by angusrancher on May 1, 2020 19:37:18 GMT -6
I've seen the subject brought up on another board of deregulation of small processing facilities. There are a lot of people opposed to anyone but the USDA doing the inspecting and being in charge. I don't see a problem with a state inspected facility selling within the state or even out of state if the inspection process is equivalent to USDA inspection levels. You reminded me of something Allen. Who inspects the foreign meat that's imported? No federal inspectors in foreign plants, and even the period plant inspections where slashed under Obama. Title is misleading, it's not 60% of meat inspections, but 60% of just inspecting the plant. www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/11/usda-quietly-eliminated-60-percent-of-foreign-meat-inspections/Whereas in the US, every animal that hits the production line is inspected prior to slaughter and throughout the process. It's BS fo allow a single animal in that hasn't been under the same requirement. This is also something that the BQA Nannies are more than happy to overlook. |
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Post by Allenw on May 2, 2020 8:31:37 GMT -6
There are force's out there against the U.S. attacking us at any level they can and for too long it has been allowed to happen and even enabled by those in power. Foreign food products being allowed in with less then rigid inspection is just another example.
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Post by franklinridgefarms on May 2, 2020 9:14:01 GMT -6
There are force's out there against the U.S. attacking us at any level they can and for too long it has been allowed to happen and even enabled by those in power. Foreign food products being allowed in with less then rigid inspection is just another example. Agree it so hypocritical that American producers are not allowed to sell meat by the cut without having been inspected yet from foreign sources it somehow ok. When we were selling in our farmers market we just sold vegetables and eggs, it was nonsense some of what was required. |
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Post by highgrit on May 2, 2020 10:29:23 GMT -6
It's all BS, if you and I decide on a price for said product it should be a done deal. If you don't like how I do it or what my facilities look like you can go somewhere else. We've all seen how good the government does at keeping US safe. Screw em I'm done with the government in my stuff and figure I'll go out with a bang.
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Post by the illustrious potentate on May 3, 2020 4:35:48 GMT -6
I'd guess most of the markets at our founding would be considered black markets today.
But the "political elite" have overplayed their hand, and I think we're returning to that way of life.
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Post by cowrancher75 on May 3, 2020 5:36:20 GMT -6
i'm working on a house on the main street in town.
on friday last week the traffic seemed to be about near normal again. I figured everyone said F'it. saturdays traffic was really heavy.. i think everyone is out and done with this crap.
everyone (except me) seems to be wearing useless masks like dust masks and handkerchiefs....
I have a bunch of N95 and some heavy duty asbestos masks... of course i'm only using them when needed during construction..
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