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Post by brightraven on Jan 16, 2020 9:49:08 GMT -6
HPF Optimizer   I have registed more calves to Optimizer than any bull I have used. I don't remember a bad one. Blaze Face. Toward the high end on size. Great feet. Plus, I have seen a ton of his calves on the Fire Sweep Ranch. |
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Post by flyingl on Jan 16, 2020 11:20:53 GMT -6
I would like a higher API and Milk score with a little more stylish appeal but other than that I like him.
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Post by highgrit on Jan 16, 2020 13:01:21 GMT -6
Not a very popular bull around these parts for some unknown reason. I can't imagine wanting more milk, that only comes with more feed around here.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 16, 2020 13:43:28 GMT -6
I would like a higher API and Milk score with a little more stylish appeal but other than that I like him. Mike I haltered this morning. This is that Eagle calf. I wish they all were as easy to lead as he is.  |
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jan 16, 2020 15:39:01 GMT -6
Them fluffy ones do nothing for me, doesn't even look like a bull to me. That said, everyone has their own ideal specimen and he probably throws good calves.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 16, 2020 15:47:17 GMT -6
Them fluffy ones do nothing for me, doesn't even look like a bull to me. That said, everyone has their own ideal specimen and he probably throws good calves. I wish we had more Simmental folks on the board. 🤗 But I think the ones here will stand with me. The Modern American Simmental tends to grade toward a lot of hair. I really would not want to sell mine south of Tennessee. I don't know how other Simmental folks feel about that. |
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Post by jehosofat on Jan 16, 2020 16:24:53 GMT -6
They really suffer around here in the summer.
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Jan 16, 2020 16:36:15 GMT -6
Them fluffy ones do nothing for me, doesn't even look like a bull to me. That said, everyone has their own ideal specimen and he probably throws good calves. I don't mind a little hair in the winter if they slick off come Spring. If they don't slick off, their endocrine system is not optimal. |
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jan 16, 2020 16:38:34 GMT -6
It's not so much the hair, it's the hair-do I think that turns me off. The show look. Seems with enough hair and a good hair dresser a bad bull can look a lot better.
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Post by flyingl on Jan 16, 2020 16:45:34 GMT -6
White Eagle is looking awesome Ron. Glad he has such a wonderful disposition, need just a bit of improvement in that category here. Can't wait to see him late this Spring. I like my milk epd to be near and around 20 on my Simmentals.
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Post by the illustrious potentate on Jan 16, 2020 16:52:13 GMT -6
My problem with the show look, and it happens in some main stream organizations as well, is that so many end up looking like they're steers.
It concerns me when you have to look under one to see if he's intact or not. Which goes back to how well is their endocrine system functioning, and how that translates into fertility.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 16, 2020 17:08:13 GMT -6
It's not so much the hair, it's the hair-do I think that turns me off. The show look. Seems with enough hair and a good hair dresser a bad bull can look a lot better. 3LT All the studs bulls are presented clipped, combed, and posed. It is simply the state of the art! All the semen companies follow these criteria whether it is Genex, Select Sires, ABS, etc. It goes further, I looked at the criteria for consigning to some of the higher profile seedstock sales. In addition to such criteria as BSE, vaccination, etc. They require clipping and professional pictures. |
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Post by 3LT Farms on Jan 16, 2020 17:48:46 GMT -6
I get it, I just don't like the look of the groomed show or club calf type. There are several pictures that don't look like a fluff ball show steer in all the breeding services catalogs.
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Post by M-5 on Jan 16, 2020 18:15:22 GMT -6
Need some leather and ear added to fix that problem.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 17, 2020 6:30:42 GMT -6
Regarding the characteristics of Simmental pelage, my observations are that they develop a heavier coat than Angus. I have a couple that hold their coat a little longer. I don't think it is a function of an endocrine problem (comment above). It is simply genetic. Everything generally falls under the bell curve. You are going to have some that slick off by May 1. Others that slick off by June 15. Just the normal variation.
Nevertheless, as a norm, they do have a heavier pelage than Angus. I would be a little concerned if I took my herd to say, Mississippi.
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