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Post by okie on Jan 18, 2020 21:42:04 GMT -6
I think we submitted it at the same time, my apologies. As far as telling me to go to bed, I'm a grown man and will sleep when I please. Kiss my white ass. Your cognitive functions are looking a little shaky. I was only trying to prevent a falling accident. Thanks for your concern but I've been on the road a lot lately so drinking isn't even an option. I'm sure you're sober as a judge too, right? |
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Post by brightraven on Jan 18, 2020 21:45:31 GMT -6
Your cognitive functions are looking a little shaky. I was only trying to prevent a falling accident. Thanks for your concern but I've been on the road a lot lately so drinking isn't even an option. I'm sure you're sober as a judge too, right? Then more the reason you should get some rest, opie. |
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Post by okie on Jan 18, 2020 21:58:55 GMT -6
Thanks for your concern but I've been on the road a lot lately so drinking isn't even an option. I'm sure you're sober as a judge too, right? Then more the reason you should get some rest, opie. Thanks for proving my point, Ron. |
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Post by brightraven on Jan 18, 2020 22:02:00 GMT -6
Then more the reason you should get some rest, opie. Thanks for proving my point, Ron. Good night, opie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 16:35:55 GMT -6
Back to the original post... this bull would work for me, and is the type that would fit in nicely here. This is Anchor D Raptor 392C.  |
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Post by brightraven on Jan 19, 2020 16:38:00 GMT -6
Back to the original post... this bull would work for me, and is the type that would fit in nicely here. This is Anchor D Raptor 392C. Nice bull. Silver, those traditional Simmentals were known for difficult calving. Please comment on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 18:46:33 GMT -6
I certainly wouldn't call this bull a "traditional" Simmental bull, I would call it a modern Fullblood Simmental. But that is semantics I suppose. As far as calving ease goes I guess it depends on your definition of difficult calving. This is generally the type of Simmental I have, I barn calve and I'm with them all the time at calving. I do help some, very seldom anything serious. But my cows have some size to them too.
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Post by brightraven on Jan 19, 2020 19:02:51 GMT -6
I certainly wouldn't call this bull a "traditional" Simmental bull, I would call it a modern Fullblood Simmental. But that is semantics I suppose. As far as calving ease goes I guess it depends on your definition of difficult calving. This is generally the type of Simmental I have, I barn calve and I'm with them all the time at calving. I do help some, very seldom anything serious. But my cows have some size to them too. Thanks. I wasn't sure on his pedigree. He is a great looking bull. The Modern American Purebred Simmental favored by the ASA has pursued traits such as CE, moderated frame score, black pelage etc. I assume the Fullbrood breeders have also moderated frame score and increased CE. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 19:09:47 GMT -6
I certainly wouldn't call this bull a "traditional" Simmental bull, I would call it a modern Fullblood Simmental. But that is semantics I suppose. As far as calving ease goes I guess it depends on your definition of difficult calving. This is generally the type of Simmental I have, I barn calve and I'm with them all the time at calving. I do help some, very seldom anything serious. But my cows have some size to them too. Thanks. I wasn't sure on his pedigree. He is a great looking bull. The Modern American Purebred Simmental favored by the ASA has pursued traits such as CE, moderated frame score, black pelage etc. I assume the Fullbrood breeders have also moderated frame score and increased CE. They are a lot easier animal to have than they were in the '80's for sure. |
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Post by brightraven on Jan 19, 2020 19:11:44 GMT -6
Thanks. I wasn't sure on his pedigree. He is a great looking bull. The Modern American Purebred Simmental favored by the ASA has pursued traits such as CE, moderated frame score, black pelage etc. I assume the Fullbrood breeders have also moderated frame score and increased CE. They are a lot easier animal to have than they were in the '80's for sure. Hey Silver. Are there a lot of Fullbrood breeders up there. There are not many in Kentucky. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 19:15:07 GMT -6
They are a lot easier animal to have than they were in the '80's for sure. Hey Silver. Are there a lot of Fullbrood breeders up there. There are not many in Kentucky. They are pretty common. There is no black advantage up here, so breeds tend to be coloured like they always were. I think it would be harder to find Purebred Simmie breeders than Fullblood, but I stand to be corrected. |
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Post by okie on Jan 19, 2020 19:48:00 GMT -6
The fullblood sims had about the same reputation as everything else that came across the pond at that time. People were breeding these new "monsters" to the same 900 pound cow that they had always run. That would still cause problems today if it were tried. Some of them were something that you'd want to be a little careful with but they weren't cow killers.
I worked for a ranch twenty years ago that used flecks in a three way rotation. We never had any trouble on the mature cows. We never even really paid much attention to them at calving. A few times we did have to pull a few on the virgin heifers that were bred red angus but in a three way cross including a little ear you're going to get growth from the point of conception.
That is a hell of a bull, Silver.
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Post by 76bar on Jan 20, 2020 11:47:08 GMT -6
Impressive bull. Full blood Fleckvieh?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 19:18:51 GMT -6
Impressive bull. Full blood Fleckvieh? I believe so. I don't want to give anyone the impression I own this bull, only that "If I had to use one bull" as per the thread title lol |
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Post by brightraven on Jan 20, 2020 20:27:18 GMT -6
Impressive bull. Full blood Fleckvieh? I believe so. I don't want to give anyone the impression I own this bull, only that "If I had to use one bull" as per the thread title lol I should know this but I am uncertain. I know the ASA has an open herd book. You can register percentage Simmentals, Purebred Simmentals and Fullblood Simmentals. Fleckvieh are not the same as the orginal Fullblood Simmental. Isn't that correct? The ASA registers Fleckvieh. But they are not the original Simmental that came from Switzerland. Correct this if it is wrong. |
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